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Were economic data manipulated?
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | August 9, 2002 | Robert Novak

Posted on 08/09/2002 6:41:17 AM PDT by Toidylop

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To: doug from upland
"He controlled everything. That is exactly what he did in DC."

You are so right, DFU.

They are a plague on this country that is going to destroy us unless stopped.

They don't care.

They want to stand atop the rubble of what was once America, beat their chests, and say, as they did when they saw the jets flying over that fateful inauguration day in 1993:

"They're ours now!"

They want the power, the rubble, the destruction matters not.

They have merged organized crime and Communist totalitarian tactics with lawyerly "smarts" to breed the "third way" that will destroy this country if not stopped.

God gave us a window of opportunity in 2000.

This November we can either push that window open for a couple more years or help slam it shut and end it here and now. Because if they take the House and the Senate, they will end it for us.

41 posted on 08/09/2002 10:23:01 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: monkeyshine
"Does a bear sh!t in the woods?"

Don't forget, this article refers to the regime of former Emporor Krinton and his cronies. So the rejoinder would be more like :

If a tree falls in the woods and makes a sound but there are no witnesses to the sound, what does it matter if there was actually a sound because no witnesses means no controlling legal authority?!?!?

42 posted on 08/09/2002 10:58:21 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Toidylop
Clinton cooked the books?, posted by Kattracks, see #40 for more landmines left by Clinton.
43 posted on 08/09/2002 11:11:13 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Toidylop
So if Gore had won the funny numbers would have continued and the economy would still be inflated? The economy was a land mine laid for Bush to step on? Greenspan wasn't in on it up to his sparce eyebrows? The Communist News Network wasn't in on it? Nothing to see here, move on.
44 posted on 08/09/2002 11:23:12 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Greenspamie knew about this when he came out with his famous Exuberance remark.

Then, he drove the interest rates up to start the death spiral of these rat run companies that were cooking their books, Arthur Anderson ala king!

Those trillions lost from Nasdaq/qqq, DIA, and SPY were virtual vapor $'s created by these rat ceo's, their boards and abetted by those on tv and in the financial yellow journalism pages pushing these companies. All were guided by the Arthur Andersen philosophy defininition of is and profit.
45 posted on 08/09/2002 12:03:42 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: steve50
Citigroup and JPM were Rat controlled companies from the CEO's to the boards. Just look at their donations to the Rats in the 1990's. Most of their political donations went to the DNC and various rats in the senate like LIEberman and Dodd.
46 posted on 08/09/2002 12:06:22 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Amen!

If we don't defeat 10 or more of Da$$hole's rats up for re election and Da$$hole remains in power, we can kiss this country goodbye.

We must maintain if not expand our control of the house. Then we need to defeat 10 or more of Da$$hole's rats up for election to counter the Rino's like McAinal, Spectorarte, the yellow snow twins from Maine for example.

When Dodd and his Rat Pack ram throught the bill in 1995 to allow the Arthur Andersens to be open criminals, that was damn near the end of our capitalist society. We need to flush out what remains of the rat controlled companies who have been Clintoonizing their books since then. Send a lot of them to jail to clean Martha's pans while she is in jail.

It all begins or ends with the elections this November.

The al Qaeda thugs hope that we elect more like Da$$hole and McKinney in Georgia. The pro Islamakazi Rats in Congress are more dangerous than the Islamakais.
47 posted on 08/09/2002 12:14:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Two of the largest Banks in the nation was my point. Why are our Federal Reserve Banks interested in helping to distort market value.
48 posted on 08/09/2002 12:43:57 PM PDT by steve50
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To: Grampa Dave; Jim Robinson
"It all begins or ends with the elections this November.

The al Qaeda thugs hope that we elect more like Da$$hole and McKinney in Georgia. The pro Islamakazi Rats in Congress are more dangerous than the Islamakais."

Is there any way those sentences can be emblazoned in red at the top of the FR main page?

We have many who type much important stuff here - but the key is to get out the vote for Republicans. I don't care if they are not perfect. WE KNOW WHAT DEMS DO WHEN THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER AND THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO GET EVERY ABLE BODIED PERSON WHO CARES ABOUT THIS COUNTRY OUTA THEIR COMFY CHAIRS AND DOWN TO THE LOCAL REPUBLICAN OFFICE TO VOLUNTEER! Every bit of help is welcome and needed! With it, we can get an extension on this window of opportunity. Without it, we can start packing it in.

49 posted on 08/09/2002 1:03:04 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: steve50
Why are our Federal Reserve Banks interested in helping to distort market value. Well, they're not really ours, rather they are privately owned and operated.

Court Rules Federal Reserve is Privately Owned

50 posted on 08/09/2002 1:13:35 PM PDT by FormerLurker
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To: T. P. Pole
Being a liberal means never having to think or say you are sorry.
51 posted on 08/09/2002 1:16:40 PM PDT by Redleg Duke
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To: M. Peach
He lowered the criteria for being unemploymeed from 12 months to 6 months. Previously, if anyone was unemployed for longer than 12 months, they were no longer considered unemployed, but given another status. Shortening this time period effictively cut the unemployment statistics way down.

ahhh, the stinking piece of human detritus otherwise known as scumbag did many things for which he should be in jail or worse, but what you state was not one of them, and neither 6 months nor 12 months have ever had anything whatsoever to do with how unemployment stats are calculated

the bureau of labor statistics definition of employed/unemployed has been the same for many decades, only their sampling methods were changed in '94 to attempt to increase the accuracy of the count according to their long-standing definitions

it has always boiled down to you are unemployed if you don't have a job, have tried to get a job in the prior 4 weeks, and are able to work

this definition has, for many decades, left involuntary part-time workers (those who would prefer to be working full-time) and the discouraged job-seeker out of the unemployment count

whether their definitions are the best ones to use has been the subject of debate for a long time, but it has nothing to do with the sinkmaster

the full skinny from the b.l.s. is here, and here are some pertinent excerpts -

the Government conducts a monthly sample survey called the Current Population Survey (CPS) to measure the extent of unemployment in the country. The CPS has been conducted in the United States every month since 1940 when it began as a Work Projects Administration project. It has been expanded and modified several times since then. As explained later, the CPS estimates, beginning in 1994, reflect the results of a major redesign of the survey.

The basic concepts involved in identifying the employed and unemployed are quite simple:

People with jobs are employed.
People who are jobless, looking for jobs, and available for work are unemployed.
People who are neither employed nor unemployed are not in the labor force.

The survey is designed so that each person age 16 and over who is not in an institution such as a prison or mental hospital or on active duty in the Armed Forces is counted and classified in only one group. The sum of the employed and the unemployed constitutes the civilian labor force. Persons not in the labor force combined with those in the civilian labor force constitute the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years of age and over.

Not all of the wide range of job situations in the American economy fit neatly into a given category. For example, people are considered employed if they did any work at all for pay or profit during the survey week. This includes all part-time and temporary work, as well as regular full-time year-round employment. Persons also are counted as employed if they have a job at which they did not work during the survey week because they were:

On vacation
Ill
Experiencing child-care problems
Taking care of some other family or personal obligation
On maternity or paternity leave
Involved in an industrial dispute
Prevented from working by bad weather

These persons are counted among the employed and tabulated separately as "with a job but not at work," because they have a specific job to which they will return.

Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work. Actively looking for work may consist of any of the following activities:

Contacting
An employer directly or having a job interview
A public or private employment agency
Friends or relatives
A school or university employment center
Sending out resumes or filling out applications
Placing or answering advertisements
Checking union or professional registers
Some other means of active job search

Passive methods of jobsearch do not result in jobseekers actuall potial employers, and therefore are not acceptable for classifying persons as unemployed. These would include such things as attending a job training program or course or merely reading the want ads.

Workers expecting to be recalled from layoff are counted as unemployed, whether or not they have engaged in a specific jobseeking activity. But, in all other cases, the individual must be actively engaged in some job search activity and available for work.

52 posted on 08/09/2002 1:24:27 PM PDT by AntiScumbag
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To: Toidylop
It's the economy{
and how we can lie about it,
and cook the books,
and steal from the investors,
and make the Republicans look bad
}stupid.

53 posted on 08/09/2002 1:27:59 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; PhiKapMom; Miss Marple; rintense; hchutch; Jim Robinson
We need as many broke glass republicans this November as we can round up.

Jim, you and I know how important this November's election is. Unfortunately a lot of Freepers want to discuss theory and expound agendas that never win elections in America.

Third party votes are just votes for the Rats running for re election or the first time. Jim has said that many time in the past few months.

Thanks for your kind words. We must defeat 10 to 12 of Da$$hole's best Rat senator buddies and maintain or expand our lead in the house. This is the critical war, that we as Americans can win or lose.

If we lose, we can really kiss America good bye. If we win, we have a chance of turning this legacy of the Toons around for our families and those not even born yet.
54 posted on 08/09/2002 1:59:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: mvpel
As my wife often reminds: the NASDAQ began its decline the precise day the Clinton Administration won its anti-trust case against Microsoft. The market has yet to recover from the purposeful torpedoing of the most successful company in history.
55 posted on 08/09/2002 2:07:44 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: steve50
It goes to show that corporate america has been running rampant for far too long.. going back to the 80's and Regean.. Bush you name it they touched it and it became sour. These accounting scandals jsut came to light because morons got bolder and bolder as the years went on.. Does it surprise anyone that the economy really didn't just blow up in 2000? It was hidden by corporate creed(and creedy politicans).. hopefully now with the brazen activity of some we can clean up this whole mess across the board.
56 posted on 08/09/2002 2:44:38 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
AMEN! But it won't happen unless we actually do that, not just talk about it. Also: write non-stop letters to editors citing this most recent RAT involvement in the bad economy. RATS at every level must be removed from office!
57 posted on 08/09/2002 2:53:04 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Toidylop
BTTT
58 posted on 08/09/2002 3:19:35 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: Almondjoy
Reagan didn't start this. The Insider trading scandal happened to have happened on his watch. I will point out the pattern: under Democrat leaders, the greedy, grasping, overreaching execs are embraced by the "big business" hating Democrats, because they this stuff is a guaranteed way of propagandizing to the public that Democrat socialism makes for a good economy.

It's under REPUBLICAN presidents they get caught. Perhaps you meant this has been building since Reagon left and Clinton took office. If so, please disregard this post with my apologies.

There has always been book-cooking, especially on Wall Street. However, under the Administration of No Controlling Legl Authority, book-cooking reached new depths of greedy money grabbing.

59 posted on 08/09/2002 3:20:43 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: monkeyshine
You beat me to it. When I saw the question in the headline of this thread, this was my first thought.
60 posted on 08/09/2002 10:07:26 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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