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Court: Professor calling student 'Monica' during Clinton scandal not sexual harassment
Associated Press ^ | 8-8-02

Posted on 08/08/2002 10:10:29 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:41 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW PALTZ, N.Y. (AP) --

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: clinton; legacy; monica; oralsex; professor
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To: aculeus
A bully is a bully is a bully.

And playing by the Liberal-Socialists rules leads to Conservatives being called Racist-Sexist_homophobes...

Hell, if you're gonna be called it, why hold back!

I support his "freedom of expression!" The First Amendment works BOTH ways...it also means that I have as mucht right to be offensive in my speech as the Lib-Socialists are!

They just don't like when soemone fights back...or a level playing field.

What's the beef with blasting some little skull-full-of-mush- Lib-Socialist? I'm sure SHE'S as pure as the driven slush....

21 posted on 08/08/2002 6:56:46 PM PDT by Itzlzha
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To: Itzlzha
I support his "freedom of expression!" The First Amendment works BOTH ways...it also means that I have as mucht right to be offensive in my speech as the Lib-Socialists are!

What's the beef with blasting some little skull-full-of-mush- Lib-Socialist? I'm sure SHE'S as pure as the driven slush....

Your right to Free Speech CANNOT infringe on my right to be left alone. No one, not even the prof, has the right to say anything and everything under Amendment I -- check out libel and slander laws.

Judges have been known to make bad decisions, this is one, IMMGAHO. *Monica* and *Lewinsky* are no longer words making up an anonymous name, they most definitely are used with a sexual connotation. Just review the threads here at FR, skits on SNL, etc., wherein people call the type of service Monicow performed as "getting a lewinsky."

22 posted on 08/09/2002 7:31:32 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: MississippiDeltaDawg
Your right to Free Speech CANNOT infringe on my right to be left alone.

Your right to be left alone also means that you can walk away, or transfer out of his class and report him to the school administartion (who in most cases would LOVE to have an excuse to remove anyone not liberal). Your right to be left alone does NOT mean I must shut up, unless I am causing a public disturbance...which THIS is not the case...

No one, not even the prof, has the right to say anything and everything under Amendment I -- check out libel and slander laws.

To be libel or slander, he would have had to make specific accusations or allegations..innuendo and comedic reference is not. Otherwise ALL comedy and comedians would be prosecutable! THINK, dammmit!

Judges have been known to make bad decisions, this is one, IMMGAHO. *Monica* and *Lewinsky* are no longer words making up an anonymous name, they most definitely are used with a sexual connotation. Just review the threads here at FR, skits on SNL, etc., wherein people call the type of service Monicow performed as "getting a lewinsky."

Oh, please...get a grip! If Monica HADN'T done these things, then the words would be meaningless...is HUMMING and BLOWING now out because of THEIR "References"?

The teacher never ASKED for a Lewinsky...he never ASSAULTED her...too many people here have their panties in a bunch!

Where are you when Harvard and all the OTHER schools are bashing Jews, Conservatives, and such? When the Lefty is allowed to operate using ONE set of rules, and Conservative/(R)'s are forced into some narrow BOX...that is why we lose the argument/debate/sound-byte wars!

If your have allowed your enemy to choose the battlefield, then by G_d, have the guts to USE that field.

Libs have coarsened the public discourse to such an extent, that restraint on our part is viewed as weakness...we cannot afford to be weak anymore!

If this "girl" had a spine, she could have made his life a living hell 7 ways to Sunday...if she had a sense of humor, she could have fired back....but she's a LIB, which means mind-numbed DIMWIT, that when faced with a REAL intellect and by someone willing to actually FIGHT...they run cryin' to the OTHER Libs in the courts!

Big problem in this country. If we lose our rights to free speech, we will end up in box cars... that is the truth, and some here do NOT see it yet!

25 posted on 08/09/2002 9:10:56 AM PDT by Itzlzha
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Hayut claimed the professor made comments like "How was your weekend with Bill?"

Coulda been worse . . .if he had called her "Hillary"...

Which would be the bigger insult?

26 posted on 08/09/2002 9:15:24 AM PDT by fone
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To: Motherbear
That's a joke. Teachers don't have a right to sexually harrass their students.

Hate to break it to you, but that's JUST WHAT Libs do to Christian/practicing Conservative Jew/Conservative/(R)'s EVERY day...not "sexually" in most cases, but...

The teacher never ASKED for a Lewinsky...he never ASSAULTED her...this is comedy (perhaps poorly placed and executed, but...). If you take this tack, then ALL comedy and comedians MUST be arerested and charged!

If that would have been my daughter....... my husband would have kicked his ass.

Well, where were HER parents to raise the ruckus? Would YOU allow your child to grow up as some shrinking violet, or would they give as good as they got? Would your child RUN to the courts instead of the schools/media? No, I think not. You seem to be Conservative, which means you know how to handle situations. The little LIB here never got that lesson, or forgot it.

My point is, free speech is just that...remember Voltaire? The man may be boorish or a "thug", but he has the RIGHT! You have the right to call him on it, and have abuses corrected, but NOT to remove his feedom of speech! If the administration smacked him/fired him/made him correct his actions, and no longer make refernces to this Lib, he then had the choice of complying or quitting...he now is forced to choose LEGALLY. Technically, he could fight it out and win in a real court, but given the MASSIVE stacking on the courts of LIBS, he'd probably get screwed.

Some of you so-called "men" are jokes, too.

Thanks for using YOUR freedom of speech to personalize it...shall I now reply, using MY freedom of speech and return the favor...I can make LOADS of comments about women, y'know...or is YOUR fredom superceeding MINE?

27 posted on 08/09/2002 9:24:44 AM PDT by Itzlzha
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To: Itzlzha
My 25 and 27 have WAAAY too many typos....I need more coffee...!

Sorry for the horrid spelling...I usually spell-check better...

"feedom"?!?! Yeeesh!

28 posted on 08/09/2002 9:29:38 AM PDT by Itzlzha
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To: Itzlzha
My 25 and 27 have WAAAY too many typos....I need more coffee...!

Those posts also need some reconsideration. I can't believe you're actually defending this a-hole of a prof.

31 posted on 08/09/2002 9:45:39 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Motherbear
And the difference between you and me is that I refer to "some men" while you refer to women, in general. That doesn't surprise me considering you support the jerk. Birds of a feather...

OK, "Lady"...nice double standard! I support "free speech"...I suppose that you support Hillary and Eleanor Rodham-Clift, since I think "YOU" are a jerk...that's how your logic "works", right?

Buncha' Wussies on this thread!

"WAAAH! I'm insulted...I wanna LAWSUIT!"

GROW UP, FOLKS! He might have been mean, but NONE of you attacking me are addressing the fact that THIS is how LIBS operate, and Conservatives get SCREWED by it every day.

For EVERY teacher like this, there are 500 who screw over conservative students...

For every "Monica-wannabe", like the LIB in this story, there are a HUNDRED that make false claims against teachers, Conservative or otherwise...they do it because of spite, or philosophical difference, or because the teacher was "too hard"!

Student? Makes her sound 15....THIS IS COLLEGE!

The World sucks, and there are "mean" people everywhere...DEAL! Fight back! Get a sense of Humor!

And LIGHTEN UP!

32 posted on 08/09/2002 10:46:26 AM PDT by Itzlzha
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Those posts also need some reconsideration. I can't believe you're actually defending this a-hole of a prof.

Tell you what...when YOU go and protest against a LIB prof at a nearby college who is screwing over Conservative students...see how far it gets you!

I have DONE my time protesting Profs at Tufts, and Harvard (Friends went there as I was in school)...the LIBS KILL us every time! Outnumbered, and the whole of the Admin used against us!

Beyond the humor the prof in question used (which I laughed at), I like seeing LIBS have to take it!

I'm TIRED of the male/female double standard...a female can use whatever language she wants at a male, but OMG...Don't FIGHT BACK if you are a male!!!

Chivalry is reserved for those who DESERVE it! I will GLADLY hold the door open for a woman, but if it's for Hillary, I'd slam it on her FACE!

I suppose I am the only one here who believes in the First Amendment, and laughed at his comments to the little Trotskyite-in-Training!

Oh well...

33 posted on 08/09/2002 10:57:43 AM PDT by Itzlzha
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Of course it's not sexual harrassment. How could it be when what Bill and Monica did wasn't sex?!

And besides... The economy's picking up again.

</sarcasm>

34 posted on 08/09/2002 11:02:16 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: Itzlzha
I have DONE my time protesting Profs at Tufts, and Harvard (Friends went there as I was in school)...

Don't worry, it's OBVIOUS you WEREN'T a STUDENT at one of those FINE instiTUtions.

I suppose I am the only one here who believes in the First Amendment, and laughed at his comments to the little Trotskyite-in-Training!

FREE speech isn't the ISSUE here, DUMMY.

35 posted on 08/09/2002 12:16:12 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I'm sure the enterprising young student can find recompense for this jerk's behaviour. There is more than one way to skin a cat.
37 posted on 08/11/2002 11:45:11 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Motherbear
One's politics, however stupid, should not subject one to that kind of harrassment.

I strongly disagree. Your political beliefs color everything that you do. If you support clinton, as this young woman obviously did, then you agree with everything that he did to this country and the way he did it. If someone is a democrat they should be scorned and subjected to whatever abuse comes to mind. They are enemies of our country ad our way of life. We got into the sad state we are in because we tolerated these enemies in the first place.

As I implied in my previous post, this women is a slut and a whore (who else would support clinton) and deserved to be treated like one.

It is never harrassment to state the truth.

GSA(P)

38 posted on 08/12/2002 6:44:00 AM PDT by John O
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To: dighton
I know some fine people whose politics are goofy. Conversely, I've met people who vote my way -- straight R -- but are first-class s**ts. Politics ain't everything.

You're correct in one thing. Politics isn't everything. It is however a good indicator of general moral fiber. You can have correct politics and still be worthless. However you will always be worthless if you have incorrect politics. See the difference?

A Republican MAY be worthless. A democrat IS ALWAYS worthless

GSA(P)

39 posted on 08/12/2002 6:48:16 AM PDT by John O
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To: Motherbear
I'm with you. The fact the young lady was supportive of different political beliefs than we have at FR does not mean she was therefore worthy in a classroom situation of disrepect by a crude, redneck drooler.
40 posted on 08/12/2002 7:10:49 AM PDT by ofMagog
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