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WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, August 7, 2002 | Hal Lindsey

[JohnHuang2]

Wednesday, August 7, 2002

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[exmarine]

Good, compassionate behavior is not a matter of historical necessity, political perspective or cultural bias.

If there is no God, there is no "good" - the word becomes meaningless drivel. The problem with atheists like Miller is that the world and all that is in it is reduced to a mass of random particulars. There are no absolutes and therefore, there can be no meaning to life or anything in it. All is matter + time + chance. How pathetically sad for Miller and all who think like her.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I recall People for the American Way musing a few years ago about the lack of good folks for young people to emulate. Guess they overlooked the obvious.

[whattajoke]

If there is no God, there is no "evil" - the word becomes meaningless drivel. The problem with christians like exmarine is that the world and all that is in it is reduced to a mass of mindless fairy tale believing adult-children. There is no reliance on rational thought or inquiry and therefore, there can be no answers to life's questions or anything in it. All is unseen gods+ holy ghosts + childish stories. How pathetically sad for exmarine and all who think like him.

Once again I must ask... is your belief in god the only thing keeping you from running naked in the streets raping and pillaging innocent children? Of course not. I don't mean for this to be a personal attack of any kind, I just thought that using your screen name was more effective.

[exmarine]

Once again I must ask... is your belief in god the only thing keeping you from running naked in the streets raping and pillaging innocent children? Of course not. I don't mean for this to be a personal attack of any kind, I just thought that using your screen name was more effective.

Many people do pillage and rape and kill little children -0read the papers lately? Do you think these people have God in their consciences? Please tell me if you can: What is the source of "good"? What is the source of "morality"? Whence does it come? You atheists have absolutely nothing to unify the particulars of the world - it all MUST BE random meaninglessness., Where does "meaning" come from? Is the idea of morality, meaning and goodness a cruel joke played on us by evolution? hmmm? Honest atheists admit that life is meaningless without God. Read Neitszche lately? How about Rousseau? So, why don't you get honest too and simply it? Why not be an honest atheist?

[exmarine]

What has happened (if you know your history) in the last few hundred years is that rationality has been separated from absolutes. Rationality is all of the physical particulars in the world, and absolutes are the governing universal moral principles and meaning behind those particulars. There used to be a unity between the two. The chasm started with Thomas Aquinas when he tried to reconcile Christianity with Aristotle. It was downhill from there, until finally, you have Kierkegaard who is responsible for making belief in God a "non-rational leap of faith." Satre (the French existentialist) followed him, but funny that existentialists cannot live their philosophy. Even atheists live as if morals and absolutes exist. Even YOU go home and hug your family as if "love" has meaning. Even YOU use words like "good" which outside of an absolute/universal context, have no meaning at all. Let me ask you, if there is no God, that means that "love" isjust a meaningless chemical process in your brain caused by some stimulus. So, why do you act as if "love" has any ereal meaning? When a loved one dies, you feel "grief" don't you? But if there is no God, "grief" is just a bunch of colliding atoms in your brain - why not just ignore it then and slough it off as a meaningless process? I could go on and on demonstrating how absurd your world is.

[dubyagee]

Miller evidently considers herself to be an expert on the subject and, in one sense, I suppose one could agree. Miller makes it clear that she doesn't believe in an afterlife, God or Heaven.

And of course, she's been from one end of the universe to the other and knows for a fact that God is no more real than the Easter Bunny...so why shouldn't she be the expert! There!

[Lamont Cranston]

The problem with atheists like Miller is that the world and all that is in it is reduced to a mass of random particulars. There are no absolutes and therefore, there can be no meaning to life or anything in it.

That's quite an assumption to make.

[Lamont Cranston]

Many people do pillage and rape and kill little children

Yes, and the Bible tells us that God punished King Saul for not killing little children, as he was commanded to do. So God is hardly the answer to that issue.

[exmarine]

Yes, and the Bible tells us that God punished King Saul for not killing little children, as he was commanded to do. So God is hardly the answer to that issue.

Well, we all have broken God's laws. I'm sure you have. What is the punishment for breaking God's laws? Should God be a bleeding-heart liberal who coddles criminals?

[exmarine]

That's quite an assumption to make.

Is there another option for an atheist? If an atheist claims there is meaning and morals and goodness, they should be able to explain where these things originate. Speaking from the "materialist" perspective (which is the only refuge and ultimate reality of true atheists), life is nothing but a mass of random particulars - matter in motion pal.

[Lamont Cranston]

Should God be a bleeding-heart liberal who coddles criminals?

So you're saying that someone who refuses to kill little children is a criminal?

[Zack Nguyen]

You are absolutely correct. Very few atheists live consistently with the belief that all is matter + time + chance.

[billbears]

bump

[MissAmericanPie]

The bible is very clear, God made earth to be His home, and in time He will claim it. His favorite place anywhere in all his creation is Jerusalem. It is where his holy City will be located.

It plainly states the earth will no longer need the sun, if the sun burns out billions of years from now it will have no impact on the survival of the planet or mankind, and to mankind there shall be no end. Although we almost wipe ourselves from the face of the Earth, it won't happen.

When the secular and the atheist such as Miller see what they have missed out on being a part of, they will gnash their teeth in wretched, bitter, disappointment, but it has been their free choice to ignore so important a matter as their spirit.

[DeweyCA]

I was a junior at the University of Minnesota, and about to kiss my girlfriend goodnight. She was talking to me, and I was looking into her beautiful big brown eyes, when I suddenly saw her as being nothing more than a mass of molecules. I thought to myself, "Is this all that I am getting excited about?!" I had taken my naturalistic, evolutionary thinking to its logical conclusion.

During this same time, a person was showing me historical evidences that have never been refuted that show that the probability of Jesus actually rising from the dead was at least 99%. Even Simon Greenleaf, the famous law professor at Harvard who wrote the 3-volume treatises on how to judge evidences in a court of law, became a Christian after he reviewed the historical evidences. Becoming a Christian probably kept me from committing suicide, since living in a world which logically has no meaning and purpose would be futile, and without purpose, and in reality, a cruel joke.

[exmarine]

So you're saying that someone who refuses to kill little children is a criminal?

I am not familiar with the King Saul story you mention. But I am aware that God ordered the killing of entire populations. Let's look at the Canaanites for example. They sacrificed their babies on the arms of their false God Molech (bronze statue heated in fire and live baby placed on its red-hot arms). Does that sound similar to abortion industry today? bingo! You are catching on. Here's a rule of life: Sonny grows up to be just like daddy. God gave the Canaanites 400 years to stop this evil practice, and when they are all wiped out - they DESERVED IT. God always uses PERFECT JUSTICE. Oops - "justice" - where does that come from? Dog gone it! There's another absolute for which you can find no meaning!

[exmarine]

Becoming a Christian probably kept me from committing suicide, since living in a world which logically has no meaning and purpose would be futile, and without purpose, and in reality, a cruel joke.

Amen. Praise God.

[Lamont Cranston]

If an atheist claims there is meaning and morals and goodness, they should be able to explain where these things originate.

Why is that?

[exmarine]

Why is that?

In order to be consistent in their self-exalted rationality perhaps?