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1 posted on 08/05/2002 7:32:37 AM PDT by bat-boy
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They want advance notice so they can leak it to the press.
2 posted on 08/05/2002 7:34:17 AM PDT by rockprof
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To: bat-boy
Hey, Tommy and Joe!!! Here's your official notification!


6 posted on 08/05/2002 7:43:43 AM PDT by sam_paine
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Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said Congress must weigh in before America goes to war. "I don't think the president has the authority to launch a full-force effort" without congressional approval, said Daschle, D-S.D.

Mr. Daschle, you puke, you'll find out at the same time (maybe a little delayed) that Saddam finds out:
When the first bomb explodes!

8 posted on 08/05/2002 7:54:01 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: bat-boy
Bush phone call to Biden- "Joe, just wanted to let you know in advance......the missiles are in the air."
9 posted on 08/05/2002 7:57:03 AM PDT by Northpaw
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To: bat-boy

Watching Senator Biden make a fool of himself Sunday on Meet The Press, I kept thinking to myself, 'thank God this guy ain't in charge'. It wasn't just that the Delaware Democrat was out of his league, it's how ridiculously obvious he made it.

On Iraq, he hemmed, he hawed, he bobbed, he weaved.

A case can be made for removing Hussein, he says in one breath.

Then, in the next, he complains the President has failed to make one.

He urges multilateralism, in whatever we do. We shouldn't go-it-alone, he insists. Our "allies" will be 'with us', he assures us.

Ah, one caveat (a big one): Provided the *evidence* is there. Evidence that Saddam possesses, or seeks to possess, deliverable weapons of mass destruction, and the intent to use them.

Well, does he possess WMD? Beyond "residuals", 'don't know', says Biden (or words to that effect). Okay, let's suppose he does, can he develop the means to deliver them effectively? 'Don't know', says Biden. If he could, would he use them? 'Don't know that either'.

Hearing this, me-jaws dropped to the floor.

Surely, he's got to be kidding, right?

Several facts:

1) This goofball, believe it or not, is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
2) The chairman has access to top-secret intellgence, and gets briefed on a regular basis.
3) Meet the Press is carried around the world.
4) Our enemies, as well as our allies, were watching -- and listening.

Connecting the dots, the top-ranking Democrat on foreign affairs, even after days of extensive hearings and years of CIA briefings, says ... what? That he doesn't know?

Let's go over Biden's incredible litany again.

On whether Saddam possesses WMD, beyond trace amounts, Biden says he doesn't know.

This begs the question why Saddam refuses to allow U.N. weapons inspectors back in? Answer: He's dirty. Otherwise, he'd roll out the welcome mat, if only to humiliate/discredit his accusers.

On Saddam's willingness to use WMD, Biden says he doesn't know. "It's like reading the entrails of goats", he lamely tells Russert.

Problem is, you don't need to read the entrails of goats, Mr. Biden, just a book of recent history. See the chapter on chemical weapons, Saddam and the Kurds, circa 1988.

On whether Iraq can develop the technical means to deliver WMD, Biden says he hasn't a clue.

Gee, must be them entrails again, or else he'd know something -- even a little -- about Scud missiles. They're nasty, and armed with chemical warheads, they're mighty dangerous.

Other observations:

-- Throughout the interview, Biden tries to play both sides of the fence, speaking from both sides of his mouth. On military action to topple Saddam, is he for or against? He allows that a case can be made, then moves to undercut that case, falsely alluding to internal divisions within the White House. Biden's message to Saddam: Keep your chin up, even the Great Satan is split. Hang on a little while longer, and you're home free.

-- Biden urges building global consensus first -- before any action; And if consensus isn't forthcoming? Well, don't ask Biden -- he's too busy reading 'entrails'.

-- "I think it's important we push for real inspections", says Biden. Gee, Senator, what part of 'regime change' don't you understand?

-- Biden hotly denies evidence exists linking Saddam to al-Qaeda, brushing off damning proof of Iraqi involvement in the first WTC bombing. New Yorker reporter Jeffery Goldberg already settled the question of linkage, his thoroughly documented report showing Iraqi intelligence working hand-in-glove for years with senior al-Qaeda officials.

From this interview, I can only draw one firm conclusion: Biden doesn't know diddley-squat.

Anyway, that's...

My two cents..
"JohnHuang2"


10 posted on 08/05/2002 8:08:17 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: bat-boy
This sounds reasonable (in a democratic republic) and it certainly is what we would want from President Hilary Clinton if she attempted a wag the cat were she in office; we don't want to set any precedents for Dem. presidents to take advantage of.

It is only a matter of time before the American people swing back in their historic vacillation and elect a Democratic liberal president. I take the long term view in this regard. 2004 or 2008 can/will indeed arrive quickly.

Having said that, they had bettern use the Cone of Silence, and of course, vigorous public horsewhippings Singaporean-style (rods dipped in urine) for any offenders who leak the details of an attack on Sodom Hussain.

12 posted on 08/05/2002 8:21:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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"Democratic Sen. Carl Levin ( news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said Saddam is not likely to launch an attack with biological or chemical weapons unless he is provoked by a U.S. move against him. "Does he love himself more than he hates us?" he asked on CBS' "Face the Nation." "And I think the answer is probably yes. "And if that's true, then it would be unlikely that he would initiate an attack with a weapon of mass destruction because it would be certain that he would be destroyed in response."

What a dolt!! Levin's proposing a return to MAD (Mutually-Assured Destruction) with a Megalomaniacal Madman!! Michigan FReepers, can't y'all git rid of this idiot?!

SHEEEESH...MUD

20 posted on 08/05/2002 10:58:46 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim
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Maybe they should read the Constitution once in a while. Declarations of war are a Congressional power, not an executive one. They are the elected representatives who are supposed to give notice of war, not the President. It's amazing that we've gone so far towards making that document irrelevant that conservatives here rabidly defend the president's power to use the military at his own whim (whether for noble goals or not), while happily disregarding the word of Congress and intentionally keeping them in the dark.

I'm all for taking Iraq even deeper into the Stone Age (while keeping an eye on China in the Taiwan Straits), but I wish we would do things Constitutionally once in a while. Instead, political maneuvering has taken precedence over proper governance. It's terribly sad, and a very bad sign for the future. Just imagine what the next Clinton-clone in office (Hillary?) will get away with simply because we now expect the President to act with the same unopposable conviction as any monarch.

22 posted on 08/05/2002 11:11:05 AM PDT by Teacher317
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Biden says he doesn't know. "It's like reading the entrails of goats", he lamely tells Russert.

I'd send him the entrails, but I haven't figured out how to print "Saddam has WMD out the yinyang" on them. Also after getting the printing done, would they be readable after they arrived?

I'd probably be jailed for a Te**orist act.

23 posted on 08/05/2002 11:45:50 AM PDT by listenhillary
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I think this is a reasonable request. I see no problem with asking President Bush to make sure that the letter to Congress notifying them of action in Iraq is post-marked by midnight on the day the full scale offensive begins.
25 posted on 08/05/2002 1:09:18 PM PDT by B-bone
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AP is a little slow...I posted the info about it here on 07/30/02 (Source link is there):

S.J.RES.41

Sponsor: Sen Specter, Arlen(introduced 7/18/2002)

Latest Major Action: 7/18/2002 Referred to Senate committee.

Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations.

Title: A joint resolution calling for Congress to consider and vote on a resolution for the use of force by the United States Armed Forces against Iraq before such force is deployed.

See also:

H.J.RES.109

Sponsor: Rep DeFazio, Peter A.(introduced 7/26/2002)

Latest Major Action: 7/26/2002 Referred to House committee.

Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.

Title: Calling for Congress to consider and vote on a resolution for the use of force by the United States Armed Forces against Iraq before such force is deployed.

And especially...

H.CON.RES.286

Sponsor: Rep Issa, Darrell E.(introduced 12/11/2001)

Latest Major Action: 12/11/2001 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.

Title: Expressing support for the President in using all means at his disposal to encourage the establishment of a democratically elected government in Iraq.

26 posted on 08/05/2002 1:58:15 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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Notice: Congress, you cannot be trusted... Therefore you will not be informed.

Congress your duty is to go home and tell it strait to the American people, that we are about to engage the enemy, and they are to begin preparations for any and all possibilities- Effective Immediately!!!

Citizenry: Your duty is to begin disaster preparations and the stocking of amunition and non perishable items.

The serious level and nature of the threat in this instance is real and not, I repeat "NOT A DRILL".

Recent indications of serious environmental health outbreaks in England and in parts of the states suggest organized foul play to the degree to perceive these outbreaks as acts of warfare.
30 posted on 08/05/2002 4:23:38 PM PDT by Soul Citizen
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I think it quite likely that August 5 will be remembered as the opening gun of the Iraq campaign, and that in turn as the beginning of WWIII.

You heard it here first.

33 posted on 08/05/2002 5:31:44 PM PDT by crystalk
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Joe, Duck, Quick!! Oh, bummer, man, that must really hurt. Joe, er, Joe you there?
34 posted on 08/05/2002 5:33:25 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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People in Hell want ice water.
38 posted on 08/05/2002 6:29:10 PM PDT by Bogey78O
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Lawmakers Want Notice Before Iraq War

Their first notice should be the arrest of Biden and Dashole.

Long range dittos

39 posted on 08/05/2002 6:36:43 PM PDT by MileHi
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