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Size did matter to Marie-Antoinette
The Observer (U.K.) | 08/04/2002 | Paul Webster

Posted on 08/03/2002 5:14:59 PM PDT by Pokey78

One of the underlying causes of the French Revolution, the disastrous marriage between Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette, has been brought down to size by a meticulous investigation into the royal couple's sexual incompatibility. Put simply, the king was endowed with a ' bracquemart assez considérable' - a rather large penis - and Marie-Antoinette suffered from a condition known in the court as ' l'étroitesse du chemin', a narrow vagina, that made her frigid.

The research by Simone Bertière, a specialist in the lives of France's seventeenth and eighteenth-century queens, shatters the myth of a semi-impotent, foppish king, and a sluttish queen, favourite targets of scurrilous pamphlets that inflamed the mobs of 1789. It also undermines the most influential biography of Marie-Antoinette, written by Stefan Zweig in Vienna in 1932 after he discovered uncensored correspondence between the queen and her domineering mother, the Empress Marie-Theresa.

'Since then, the presumed impotence of Louis and his cowardice in refusing an operation to correct a small physical malformation have been accepted as a matter of fact, sufficient to explain the queen's neurotic instability,' Bertière said, commenting on her 700-page biography, Marie-Antoinette, l'insoumise (the rebel). 'But Zweig did not compare these letters with those sent by the Hapsburg ambassador to the empress which leave no doubt at all that Louis XVI did not suffer from malformation.'

It was not until seven years after marrying Louis XV's orphaned grandson, then the Dauphin, at Versailles in 1770 that Marie-Antoinette, 'a little girl paralysed by terror', lost her virginity. From the first fruitless night the physiological realities which, according to Bertière, nineteenth and twentieth-century historians glossed over, were the object of intense court records, letters and diplomatic exchanges that described their sexual characteristics in detail. But despite the opinion of surgeons that the couple dodged conjugal activity because it was too painful for both of them, Louis's mother-in-law empress insisted that the problem lay wholly with her son-in-law's inadequate penis.

'I refuse to believe that it is my daughter's fault,' the empress wrote to her ambassador at Versailles, maintaining demands for an operation on the king even after several intimate inspections by doctors. They repeatedly said there was no evidence of phimosis, a narrowing of the preputial orifice, a theory that Zweig insisted on after reading nagging letters from the imperial mother-in-law replying to misleading correspondence from her daughter.

Concern at the failure to consummate a marriage, essential for a military alliance between the Bourbons and Hapsburgs, was a matter of recorded clinical analysis from the first weeks. By 1772, Louis XV, notorious for his love life and generous genitalia, tackled his grandson, a virgin at marriage, about his barren union. Louis, then 18, told him that he had tried several times to deflower his wife 'but was always stopped by painful sensations'.

A year later, Louis achieved what was called a 'demi-succès', telling his grandfather that Marie-Antoinette was now 'my wife' after a rare night in the same bed. But she was still considered a virgin in 1777 when Austria's Joseph II, the queen's older brother, questioned the couple about their failure to produce an heir. The Austrian ruler then wrote to his brother Leopold to say that the French king, who succeeded to the throne in 1774, 'had well-conditioned, strong erections and introduced his member, stayed there for two minutes without moving, withdrew without ejaculation, and then, still erect, wished [his wife] good evening. He should be whipped like a donkey to make him discharge in anger'.

Bertiere said that for both king and queen, sex was an 'abominable task' for which the only possible explanation was the physical disparity between them. It was only after more strong words from Joseph II that the unhappy pair conceived a child, a daughter born in 1778, the first of four births, including the future Louis XVII who died as a prisoner in the Temple after his parents were executed in 1793.

Bertière said it would be wrong to blame Marie-Antoinette for sparking off the revolution but 'by her flightiness she hastened the monarchy's discredit'.

'Her conjugal failures, abundantly spread in public, added ridicule to the real virtues of Louis XVI while his complacent attitude towards her completed his reputation for weakness,' the author added.


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To: Washington-Husky
I'm sure his Viagra bill is nothing compared to the doctor bills you get to pay to David Yanisch, a forensic services manager at the Special Commitment Center, and state psychiatrist Mark McClung.

41 posted on 08/03/2002 7:55:06 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
The socialism around here is palpable. I'm surprised we don't have a state income tax yet.
42 posted on 08/03/2002 7:57:48 PM PDT by Washington-Husky
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To: 2Trievers
I initially wondered who would post such a picture, but seeing it was you all became clear. <|:)~
43 posted on 08/03/2002 8:52:41 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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And I have MORE ... were you asking? LOL &;-)
44 posted on 08/03/2002 8:55:41 PM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: martin_fierro
After two 'vulins ... I have NO shame! &;-)
45 posted on 08/03/2002 8:58:21 PM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: 2Trievers
May I be the FIRST? ... he he &;-) HAPPY BIRTHDAY!


46 posted on 08/03/2002 9:05:17 PM PDT by 2Trievers
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To: 2Trievers
Yeah I do. But I ain't sayin' nothin'!
47 posted on 08/04/2002 2:06:57 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP
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To: Pokey78
They don't know history. Louis suffered from phimosis, a tight foreskin, that made it painful to get an erection, so he didn't consummate the marriage for years.

Finally he got the guts to get it fixed (either circumcision or a dorsal slit) and they finally did it.The story is well known in the medical community. (guess this "historian" didn't bother to read the medical literature).

Marie was accused of playing around sexually, but there is little evidence that she actually did so. Much of the court gossip has been known for years, and nonsense that M.A. was too "tight" is doubtful, especially since she had two kids...even a five pound baby is bigger than most men's masculine endowment.

48 posted on 08/09/2002 4:18:50 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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49 posted on 08/09/2002 4:32:31 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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