[AndyJackson]

When my husband and I were teenagers in the late 50's and early 60's it would have been much less likely that the young men would have passively allowed themselves to be bound

I just love the Holywood bravado on this thread - the arm chair heroes that were not there. Just for the record, for those who complain about whimps - my karate masters, one a well-known welter weight champion, the other ex-secret service - trained troops in Desert Storm etc. tells us don't argue with a gun - you will lose.

[Age of Reason]

I just love the Holywood bravado on this thread - the arm chair heroes that were not there.

And were you there--in the 1950's, I mean?

my karate masters, one a well-known welter weight champion, the other ex-secret service - trained troops in Desert Storm etc.

Were they true masters, they would have taught you to be silent about such matters.

tells us don't argue with a gun - you will lose.

Perhaps--So?

I will answer for you: Unlike the 1950's, young people today have been inculcated with the impression that men and women are equal.

Young "men" today, would think it odd to sacrifice themselves for a woman's honor.

I am reminded of the impression today's teenager's have of Romeo and Juliet--they find it laughable that Juliet killed herself because Romeo had died.

In today's world of casual sex, that would be like killing yourself because your golf buddy had died.

[bvw]

tells us don't argue with a gun - you will lose

If some one has brought a gun to bear on you at close range you are as good as dead. You must run. Without hesitation.