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I just love the Holywood bravado on this thread - the arm chair heroes that were not there.

And were you there--in the 1950's, I mean?

my karate masters, one a well-known welter weight champion, the other ex-secret service - trained troops in Desert Storm etc.

Were they true masters, they would have taught you to be silent about such matters.

tells us don't argue with a gun - you will lose.

Perhaps--So?

I will answer for you: Unlike the 1950's, young people today have been inculcated with the impression that men and women are equal.

Young "men" today, would think it odd to sacrifice themselves for a woman's honor.

I am reminded of the impression today's teenager's have of Romeo and Juliet--they find it laughable that Juliet killed herself because Romeo had died.

In today's world of casual sex, that would be like killing yourself because your golf buddy had died.

You are the very essence of evil. those girls would have paid for years and years for their poor judgment --whether or not they had been kidnapped and raped. No you cannot see that these girls were not the victim of a predatory monster with a gun. This was justice for their wayward ways - you think God's justice, but boy are you wrong. It is just the sort of justice that gets handed out in villages in Pakistan by dirty old men - violent evil old men who think that rape and suffering from a lifetime of social stigma is punishment.

Were they true masters, they would have taught you to be silent about such matters. What, be silent about calling you an evil #(*%_! when you are one. No, they never taught me that. In fact, just the oposite.

were you there--in the 1950's [when men were men]

My god man are you a self-righteous ignorant prig. Yes I was alive in the 1950's, and unlike you I don't see the past through an Elvis Presley inspired fog, like somehow there has been a genetic mutation in the human race and all of a sudden we are all different. In the 1950's women dared not even discuss rape because of the social stigma that came from being a victim a stigma that is perpetuated by people like you and the Taliban.