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Kidnapped girls were raped
ABC News | 8/2/2002 | ABC News

Posted on 08/01/2002 8:01:53 PM PDT by Gigantor

Reports coming in that both girls were sexually assualted.


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To: Petronski
have you ever had a gun pulled on you? what did you do?

Hint, he can't point the gun at everyone at all times, and sometimes, the gun won't be pointed at anyone at all.

I hadn't thought of this until now, but in 1980 a woman grabbed a rifle and pointed it at me in anger. I was not thinking, only reacting, grabbed it and threw it down. The reaction was rage, sheer rage that someone would do that to me.

In 1975 a fellow put a knife to my throat. There was the same reaction, absolutely unthinking, incredible pissed-offness. As a spectator, I had the knife and pushed him out the door--it must be adrenaline of basic survival instinct--not tinged with any intellect.

We are now conditioned to feel the perp's pain, to intellectualize our predicament and apply guilt and blame to ourselves for creating the root causes of our attacker's militancy, not terrorism.

I own no gun, nor am trained in any martial art. I would not presume to judge anyone's actions in this incident--except to loudly applaud the shooting of this garbage.

101 posted on 08/01/2002 9:07:19 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: Petronski
You're right to wonder why those kids were out so late.

And I take a dim view of kids and lover's lanes.

Young women and girls should be chaperoned.

Now, as for the perp: Why wasn't the animal behind bars?

Good for him he's dead now--but it should have been a slower death.

102 posted on 08/01/2002 9:07:53 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: ValerieUSA
His carcass should be fed to the lions at the Los Angeles Zoo.
103 posted on 08/01/2002 9:08:47 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Jeff Gordon
I've gotten that impression (they deseved it) from a few people posting, it disgusts me.
104 posted on 08/01/2002 9:08:51 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: Paleo Conservative
His carcass should be fed to the lions at the Los Angeles Zoo.

You got something against lions?

105 posted on 08/01/2002 9:10:43 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: nitetrax
you'll be pleased to know that his (bushfamfan) horrific comment has been deleted, and he's been "suspended"....altho, I would prefer to know that he would never be able to post his views here again. I was shocked - can you imagine knowing that pile of puke in person?
106 posted on 08/01/2002 9:11:09 PM PDT by SandyEgo
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To: Petronski
Guy with duct tape looked stoned don't think he would of put up much of a fight
107 posted on 08/01/2002 9:11:18 PM PDT by Crazymonarch
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To: seeker41
No I'm not upset, deseved=deserved:)
108 posted on 08/01/2002 9:12:24 PM PDT by seeker41
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To: SandyEgo
I've been here a long time and I would be hard pressed to remember anything as vile as that comment.
109 posted on 08/01/2002 9:14:01 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: PLMerite
Let's not quibble. The late perp had no rights in this situation. He was a total predator. The fact that he is now dead is wonderful, marvelous and terrific news. But the situation of the kids with respect to any curfew their parents might or might not have established, or with respect to any legal curfew is beside the point. No one has the right to abuse them whether or not they should have been where they were at that time.But they were abused by a thug. What more is there to say on the matter. I will not concede that the perp was anything more than an animal marauding; good that he is dead. May his earthly remains be desecrated. In addition to ridding the world of a piece of worthless crap, the sheriff saved society a lot of money for a trial and numerous appeals, endless incarceration, and no doubt some organization which would have been created to defend the right to kidnap girls at night as long as they were not home by some hour to be determined.
110 posted on 08/01/2002 9:15:49 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Petronski
Cower in your corner alone, but don't come on this forum claiming a gunman has never been disarmed by an unarmed man. What would you have done on flight 93?

Have you taken a look at the neck on this guy? What's it about 24"? You gotta be kidding me, these two teenaged boys are supposed to fight off this moose?

111 posted on 08/01/2002 9:15:54 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty
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To: Gigantor
News organizations have already released pictures and names - would not have done so if they knew they were raped...

Weren't pictures and names were released when they were abducted?

112 posted on 08/01/2002 9:16:00 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee
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To: BigWaveBetty
When I was their age, I would have stood a fair chance of playing marbles with his eyeballs before he got aroudnt to pullling the trigger--but then, I didn't spend my spare time watching MTV or keeping people's daughters out so late.

And yes, I've had guns pointed at me before.

113 posted on 08/01/2002 9:19:51 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Petronski
Hint, he can't point the gun at everyone at all times,

No, but following that line of thinking runs a very high risk of one of the four giving his/her life to save the others, assuming any of them would be smart enough or daring enough to even try to jump him.

and sometimes, the gun won't be pointed at anyone at all.

This is not necessarily true at all. If there's anything these psychos tend to know, it's to make sure everyone is in front of you (the old back-to-the-wall trick) and that the gun is aimed at SOMEONE throughout the commission of the crime. And when you add in four obviously less-than-clear-thinking teenagers, the chances of him being jumped anyway were almost nil.

114 posted on 08/01/2002 9:19:57 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: hole_n_one

hole_n_one....this is NOT addressed to you, nor is it to a bunch of posters on this thread....BUT...you know who you are, this is for you.

How DARE you sit at your desk, all safe & cozy with the doors and windows locked and have the NERVE to say "they should've this" or "they should've that"....You were NOT there. You were NOT accosted by this cockroach who had a gun. You are (I assume) adults, NOT teenage boys. What? Do you expect them to all be John Wayne's?????

And don't you DARE accuse the girls of being in a place where they shouldn't be, therefore, laying the blame on THEM. Yeah, it WAS late at night....and some of you WERE good kids and didn't do anything wrong...and I'm really proud of you, but doggone it. Kids SHOULD be allowed to be kids without this crap happening. Do I advocate pre-marital sex? Heck no. Do I advocate being out that late at night, so far from home? No! Will I blame them, or their parents? NO!!!!

IT WAS THE COCKROACH who did this. Plain and simple. HE is to blame. Period.

From all the whining going on around here lately, I'm surprised the whole forum isn't shut down. Grow up, some of you.

115 posted on 08/01/2002 9:24:21 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Age of Reason
You got something against lions?

I have nothing agains lions. I didn't want to feed him to sharks, because I like to eat shark and I wouldn't want to contaminate their meat.

116 posted on 08/01/2002 9:24:27 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: hole_n_one
I agree - I was stunned and looked at his "info" thinking he signed on today, but no, he's been around for a year. After reading the comments about how disgusted everyone else was with his remark, I went back to his page to see what other threads to which he has given his insite, and discovered he had been "suspended", and thankfully, the comment deleted. I could be wrong, and I don't know how this "suspension" works, but I think it was only for a week. That is far too lenient, in my opinion.
117 posted on 08/01/2002 9:26:06 PM PDT by SandyEgo
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To: Brad's Gramma
Well said and way to go.
118 posted on 08/01/2002 9:26:08 PM PDT by GummyIII
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To: Brad's Gramma
I guess all these kids, and their parents, never heard of the Zodiac Killer. Lover's Lanes are now, and have always been, dangerous places for teenagers.

http://www.zodiackiller.com/FaradayJensen.html

In these isolated spots, while the kids' attention is elsewhere, the predators are able to strike quickly, with very little chance of being seen.

Parents, warn your kids. Tell them the bedtime story of the Zodiac Killer.
120 posted on 08/01/2002 9:28:18 PM PDT by Palladin
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