Russian scientist has Anti-Gravity technology? (My Title)

I will believe it when I see it but I won't dismiss it until it has been proven unfeasable.

Podkletnov could easily demonstrate his latest experiement where he produced a force beam that moved carefully positioned objects a few hundred meters away from the generator, the beam having gone through solid walls, etc.

Why doesn't he?

Remember Arthur Clarke? "When a prominent scientists says something is possible, he is probably right. When he says something is impossible, he is probably wrong."

The reason a lot of physicists think antigravity is impossible is because it is forbidden by Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. From many exchanges on sci.physics, I know that to many of them, this theory is regarded as infallible dogma, though I cannot fathom why.

My take is this: Einstein's theory is 90% phenomenology - it explains what we observe but is very shaky about why we observe it. That means it cannot be extrapolated to situations we do not encounter in Nature. As you say, we need a solid Unified Theory before we can reasonably claim no loopholes exist.

That said, the Russian claims sound very dubious. There are many ways you can make objects seem lighter, usually involving tricks with magnetic fields. The real test, as another poster pointed out, is to change the inertial mass.

Einstein's General Theory of Relativity. From many exchanges on sci.physics, I know that to many of them, this theory is regarded as infallible dogma, though I cannot fathom why.

The Theory fits the observations to the degree of accuracy obtainable, and can be used to make more predictions that can be experimentally verified. Some of the effects are so small (eg. gravity waves) that advanced experiments are required to measure them. So far, so good.

Podkletnov could easily demonstrate his latest experiement where he produced a force beam

And he could demonstrate without fear of losing "proprietary" information on the beam generation mechanism, etc.

So, ya mean we're going to get them or not....like what should I do with this one? Throw it out with the gasoline pellets and vanishing creme? Maybe I can turn it into a lamp.

But there are other things like unknown forces acting on space probes (Voyagers and Pioneer) that no one can account for. We know that there is a problem with GR at extremely small distances. QM and GR in their current state are incompatible. I don't think anyone would claim that GR is not correct, its just not the whole picture.

"The Nation that rules magnatism rules the Universe"
- Dick Tracy (Chester Gould)

Flight Center in Alabama will shortly conduct a second set of experiments using apparatus built to Podkletnov’s specifications.

Do they have in that Centre some trainees from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or, at the very least, still oppressed Palestine? Or are they just usual Communist Chinese?:-))

That means it cannot be extrapolated to situations we do not encounter in Nature.

Bingo. And we are already creating things that exist nowhere in nature. Bose-Einstein condensates are one. Nowhere in the history of the universe has a Bose-Einstein condensate existed except in a lab.

"Because NASA lacked Podkletnov’s unique formula for the work, the attempt failed."

Increasing the Vodka consuption a couple orders of magnitude might work.

As far as I'm concerned, until we have a Grand Unified Theory, anybody claiming this is impossible is full of it. We simply don't have enough knowledge about the universe to know.

Rejoice, dear heart; a solution is at hand. The apparent problem is that nothing Einstein ever said about gravity would allow anybody to think it could be manipulated; it turns out, however, that Einstein will not have the last word on what gravity amounts to.

Einstein was trying to use relativistic time to account for the fact that light does not obey the ordinary additive laws for velocities. This was based on what he called "thought experiments", such as the mirror-clock experiment, rather than upon anything resembling real evidence or real experiments. Thought experiments, it turns out, are not a terribly good basis for physics. Moreover, the basic approach is unsound. Louis Carrol Epstein ("Relativity Envisioned"), uses the following analogy: a carpenter with a house in which everything worked flawlessly other than one door which bound, would usually plane the door until it worked. He COULD, however, purchase a couple of hundred jacks and jack the foundation of the house until the one door worked, and then try to somehow or other make every other door and window in the house work again... Light is the one door in the analogy; distance, time, mass etc., i.e. everything else in the house of physics are the other doors and windows. Epstein assumes that relativity is the one case you will ever find in which that sort of approach is the correct one, nonetheless, common sense tells us it isn't terribly likely.

It turns out there is another way in which one could account for light not obeying additive laws, and that this other way is the correct one. That is to assume that light simply does not have a velocity; that it is an instantaneous force between two points, and that the thing we call the "velocity of light" is the rate of accumulation of some secondary effect.

The story on this one lives HERE

The basic Ralph Sansbury experiment amounts to a 1990s version of the Michelson/Moreley experiment using lasers and nanosecond gates, which Michelson and Moreley did not have. Wallace Thornhill, an Australian physicist, describes it:



>I mentioned a few weeks ago that an epoch making experiment had been
>performed in the realm of fundamental physics which had great
>importance for Velikovskian style catastrophism (and just about
>everything else for that matter). The experiment, performed by Ralph
>Sansbury, is amazingly simple but has amazing consequences.
>
>Sansbury is a quiet spoken physicist from Connecticut.  He is
>associated with the Classical Physics Institute, or CP Institute, of
>New York which publishes the Journal of Classical Physics. In the
>Notes to Contributors we find the focus of the journal: "Marinov's
>experiment, Bell's theorem, and similar works reveal increasing
>discontent with the dogmas of modern physics. Some physicists
>postulate that blackbody radiation, atomic spectra, nuclear reactions,
>electron diffraction, the speed of light and all other phenomena which
>Quantum Wave Mechanics and Relativity were designed to explain will
>require different explanations. It is the viewpoint of this journal
>that the new explanations probably will be consistent with
>Aristotelian logic and Newtonian or Galilean mechanics." Volume 1,
>Part 1, in January 1982 was devoted to an article titled "Electron
>Structure", by Ralph Sansbury. The title itself should raise
>physicist's eyebrows since electrons are considered to have no
>structure. They are treated as being indivisible, along with quarks.
>
>The fallout from Sansbury's idea, if proven, is prodigious. To begin,
>for the first time we have a truly unifying theory where both
>magnetism and gravity become a derived form of instantaneous
>electrostatic force. The Lorentz contraction-dilation of space time
>and mass is unnecessary. Electromagnetic radiation becomes the
>cumulative effect of instantaneous electrostatic forces at a distance
>and the wave/particle (photon) duality disappears. Discontinuous
>absorption/emission of energy in quanta by atoms becomes a continuous
>process. And there is more.
>
>Sansbury's was a thousand dollar experiment using 10 nanosecond long
>pulses of laser light, one pulse every 400 nsec. At some distance from
>the laser was a photodiode detector. But in the light path, directly
>in front of the detector was a high speed electronic shutter (known as
>a Pockel cell) which could be switched to allow the laser light
>through to the detector, or stop it.
>
>Now, light is considered to travel as a wavefront or photon at the
>speed of light. Viewed this way, it covers a distance of about 1 foot
>per nanosecond. So the laser could be regarded as sending out 10ft
>long bursts of light every 400ft, at the speed of light. The
>experiment simply kept the Pockel cell shutter closed during the 400ft
>of no light and opened to allow the 10ft burst through to the detector.
>
>What happened?
>
>The detector saw nothing!!!
>
>It is as if a gun were fired at a target and for the time of flight of
>the bullet a shield were placed over the target. At the last moment,
>the shield is pulled away - and the bullet has disappeared; the target
>is untouched!
>
>What does it mean?
>
>Only that Maxwell's theory of the propagation of electromagnetic waves
>is wrong! Only that Einstein's Special theory of relativity (which was
>to reconcile Maxwell's theory with simple kinematics) is wrong! Only
>that, as a result, the interpretation of most of modern physics is
>wrong!
>
>As another classical physicist using a theoretical approach to the
>same problem succinctly put it:
>
>"... there emerges the outline of an alternative "relativistic"
>physics, quite distinct from that of Maxwell-Einstein, fully as well
>confirmed by the limited observations available to date, and differing
>from it not only in innumerable testable ways but also in basic
>physical concepts and even in definitional or ethnical (sic) premises
>as to the nature of physics. Thus a death struggle is joined that must
>result in the destruction of one world-system or the other: Either
>light is complicated and matter simple, as I think, or matter is
>complicated and light simple, as Einstein thought. I have shown here
>that some elegant mathematics can be put behind my view. It has long
>been known that inordinate amounts of elegant mathematics can be put
>behind Einstein's. Surely the time fast approaches to stop listening
>to mathematical amplifications of our own internal voices and to go
>into the laboratory and listen to what nature has to say." -
>Modifications of Maxwell's Equations, T E Phipps, The Classical
>Journal of Physics, Vol 2, 1, Jan 1983, p. 21.
>
>Ralph Sansbury has now done precisely that!
>
>In simple terms, Sansbury gives the electron a structure by proposing
>a number of charged particles (he calls subtrons) orbiting within the
>classical radius of an electron. A simple calculation gives the
>surprising result that these subtrons are moving at a speed of 2.5
>million light years per second! That is, they could theoretically
>cover the distance from Earth to the far side of the Andromeda galaxy
>in one second. This gives some meaning to the term 'instantaneous
>action at a distance'. (Note that this is a requirement for any new
>theory of gravity). (Also I have always considered it evidence of
>peculiar naivety or arrogance on the part of scientists, such as
>Sagan, who search for extra-terrestrial intelligence (SETI) by using
>radio signals. What superior intelligence would use such a slow, and
>therefore useless, interstellar signalling system?) Such near infinite
>speed requires that there can be no mass increase with velocity. The
>speed of light is not a speed barrier. All of the experiments which
>seem to support Einstein's notion are interpreted by Sansbury in a
>more common-sense fashion. When an electron or other charged particle
>is accelerated in an electromagnetic field, it is distorted from a
>sphere into an ellipsoid. The more electromagnetic energy applied to
>accelerating the particle, the more energy is absorbed by distortion
>of the particle until, ultimately, at the speed of light, there is an
>expulsion of the subtrons. Under such conditions, the particle only
>APPEARS to be gaining mass.
>
>Notably, in the past few months, scientists in Hamburg using the most
>powerful electron microscope have found on about a dozen occasions out
>of 10 million trials, relativistic electrons recoiled more violently
>off protons than had ever been seen before. This may turn out to be
>direct experimental proof of Sansbury's model of the electron having
>structure.
>
>To return to the experiment involving a "chopped" light beam: One of
>the major requirements of the new theory is instantaneous
>electrostatic forces between subtrons. This forms the basis of a
>radical new view of the basis of electromagnetic radiation which is
>now the subject of stunning experimental confirmation. In Sansbury's
>view, a signal from a light source is received instantly by a distant
>detector and the speed of light delay in detecting the signal is due
>to the time taken for the ACCUMULATED RESPONSE of the subtrons in the
>detector to result in a threshold signal at the electron level. This
>is totally at variance with orthodox interpretations which would have
>the light travelling as a discrete photon or wave packet at the speed
>of light.
>
>In terms of the gun and target analogy, it is as if particles of the
>bullet are being absorbed by the shield from the instant of firing, so
>that when the shield is pulled aside there is no bullet left to hit
>the target.
>
>It is not possible to overstate the importance of this work because it
>lends direct support to a new model of the electron in particular, and
>matter in general, which EXPLAINS magnetism, gravity and quantum
>effects without any resort to the kind of metaphysics which allows our
>top physicists to think they can see "God" in their equations.  The
>new classical physicists can mix it with the best of them when it
>comes to the mathematics but they are more prepared to "go into the
>laboratory and listen to what nature has to say."
>
>This work is of crucial importance for Velikovskian re-arrangements of
>the solar system in recent times because astronomers have been able to
>say that such scenarios defy the laws of physics - which is true,
>insofar as they know the laws of physics. To discover that gravity is
>a form of charge polarization within the particles that make up the
>atom, rather than a warp in space (whatever the hell that means),
>gives us a simple mechanism by which the solar system can be rapidly
>stabilised after a period of chaotic motion.
>
>There is an impression, as I reread the work of Sansbury and other
>classical physicists, that what we are facing is something like "Back
>to the Future". And like the movie of that name, the possibilities
>that we encounter will seem like science fiction come true. But it is
>well-known that science fiction writers are better at predicting the
>future of science than experts!

One of the major requirements of the new theory is instantaneous electrostatic forces between subtrons. This forms the basis of a radical new view of the basis of electromagnetic radiation which is now the subject of stunning experimental confirmation.

Please excuse my confusion, but I have a question.
What is the relation of ElectroStatic force and ElectroMagnetic force?
It is my understanding they are of differing properties, and react on different elements.
Electromagnetism or magnetitism affects ferrous metals.
Electrostatic energy affects Non-ferrous materials as well as ferrous, and, to the best of my knowledge, is a DC (direct current) force, or static charge.
Electromagnetism can be either DC or AC application.
Electrostatic energy is extremely low current, while Electromagnetic is generally associated with very high current potentials.

I would like to go into "weak forces" as well, but have a very limited understanding of the genre, so I will leave it at that.

Thanks in advance for anyone's input.

Thanks. I'll have to give that a read sometime when I'm less tired.

"Russian scientist has Anti-Gravity technology?"

Oive...

Here we go again.

Seriously though, thanks for the article.

his high-power experiments, using a device called an ‘impulse gravity generator’, are capable of producing a beam of ‘gravity-like’ energy that can exert an instantaneous force of 1,000g on any object

LOL, "ballistic missle shield" they call it. Damned fine building leveller is my call.

"I'm intriqued that it's been reported in a reputable publication."

Janes is awesome but sometimes they float some real nonsense downstream....they are loaded down with Brits and those guys turn into dreamweavers every now and then.

There is just something about Europeans and "Wonder Weapons".

:o)

How many threads are going to be opened on this. Number 3 (at least) already.

"I'm intriqued that it's been reported in a reputable publication."

Janes is awesome but sometimes they float some real nonsense downstream....they are loaded down with Brits and those guys turn into dreamweavers every now and then.

There is just something about Europeans and "Wonder Weapons".

:o)

How many threads are going to be opened on this. Number 3 (at least) already

To arms!

In response, I'd like to quote the immortal words of Steve Martin by saying "well excuuuuuuuse me!"