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Part I: The Homosexual Agenda: Why Are Most Conservatives So Lily-Livered And Weak?
Toogood Reports ^ | July 30 , 2002 | E. S. Lee

Posted on 07/30/2002 9:09:34 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

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To: Houmatt
I am talking about the state government.

I know what you're talking about. But, you talk about the government as though it is some alien entity which rules from afar. Did the government just spring up out of nowhere and begin dictating terms and conditions on your life? Or is it comprised of your neighbors?

It is a crying shame I actually had to spell it out. I assumed you were smart enough to figure it out on your own. I know better now.

You stated that you have to get the permission of the state (government) to marry. What is the state (government) but just other people ruling your life (ie. your neighbors telling you how to live)? Should you also need the permission of the state (government) to procreate?

161 posted on 07/30/2002 3:44:15 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
I know what you're talking about.

Really? Then why were you feigning stupidity?

And sorry, I do not waste my time trying to answer rhetorical questions.

The law is the law. As I said before to another, if you do not like it, then you should try to get the laws changed, or just shut up.

162 posted on 07/30/2002 3:49:16 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Zack Nguyen
Government is indeed God's creation. The Scriptures are very clear.

Suppose somebody doesn't believe in God or the Scriptures. Or, suppose they believe in a different god or different religious doctrine. Then what? How would you define the limitations of human interaction? How would you form a government with somebody who holds completely different religious beliefs than you do and still live in a free society?

163 posted on 07/30/2002 3:53:04 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Houmatt
I do not waste my time trying to answer rhetorical questions.

Ah, but you seem to have plenty of time to make rhetorical statements like this:

The law is the law.

If that isn't rhetorical, I don't know what is.

As I said before to another, if you do not like it, then you should try to get the laws changed, or just shut up.

First you said, "We do NOT have a "right" to get married..."

Then you said, "We can get permission by the state, but that is within guidelines set by the state."

Why must consenting adults need the permission of their neighbors to marry? Is is not a private matter between the two consenting adults? Or, is it necessary for the whole society to weigh in on the decision?

If you did not mean to say that people don't have the right to marry, and that they must in fact seek sanction by the state to do so, then be a man and admit you were in error.

164 posted on 07/30/2002 4:00:47 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Taliesan
Warms my heart to see you, my friend.
165 posted on 07/30/2002 4:12:05 PM PDT by OWK
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To: yendu bwam; SkyPilot; Khepera
"Gay activists: The most intolerant and hate-filled people in America."

Boy howdy! Examples here and here.

166 posted on 07/30/2002 4:12:27 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: Houmatt
We do NOT have a "right" to get married, no matter what the hell you think, do, or say. We can get permission by the state, but that is within guidelines set by the state.

You have the mind, heart, and soul, of a slave.

167 posted on 07/30/2002 4:16:06 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Alan Chapman
Okay. So you actually were not feigning stupidity, were you?
168 posted on 07/30/2002 4:16:48 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Alan Chapman
Whether someone believes in God or the Scriptures does not change that fact that they are true. I am sorry if that sounds harsh. I don't make up the rules.

People who don't believe in God or the Bible are free to live how they wish. America protects them now and will always protect them. But they are not free to damage insitutions and force the rest of us to recognize, accept, and live by their behavior. This is what the homosexual lobby seeks to do.

The Bible's authenticity can be trusted completely. A culture cannot long survive if it attempts to reconcile two irreconciliable moral viewpoints.

169 posted on 07/30/2002 4:18:10 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: OWK
And you have the heart, mind and soul of a potato.
170 posted on 07/30/2002 4:20:03 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
Could you try to help me understand your position a bit better by defining the word "right" for me?

What is a right?

171 posted on 07/30/2002 4:22:47 PM PDT by OWK
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To: EdReform
Those are real dangers to society you got there. I recognize it even if others do not.
172 posted on 07/30/2002 4:22:54 PM PDT by Khepera
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To: Houmatt
And [he has] the heart, mind and soul of a potato.

I was going to say he has the neural sac, slime glands, and rubbery tan skin of a hagfish--but that's only a rumor. ;-)

173 posted on 07/30/2002 4:23:07 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Zack Nguyen
The Bible's authenticity can be trusted completely. A culture cannot long survive if it attempts to reconcile two irreconciliable moral viewpoints.

No kidding. I cannot tell you how many people actually believe morality is defined by individual choice. How many nations held that philosophy? How many of them still exist? Pompeii and the Holy Roman Empire immediately come to mind.....

174 posted on 07/30/2002 4:24:38 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Houmatt
The law is the law. As I said before to another, if you do not like it, then you should try to get the laws changed, or just shut up.

Now into ze oven viz you.

175 posted on 07/30/2002 4:25:11 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Houmatt
Okay. So you actually were not feigning stupidity, were you?

Argumentum ad Hominem isn't an argument. But, it's a pretty good indication that you've lost one.

176 posted on 07/30/2002 4:33:20 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: OWK
"My marriage was a convenant between myself and my wife. I did not marry the state. Perhaps you did... but I did not."

Is is possible that your wife's name is Melvin?
177 posted on 07/30/2002 4:36:20 PM PDT by Lightnin
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To: Lightnin
Is is possible that your wife's name is Melvin?

Is it probable that you're an idiot?

178 posted on 07/30/2002 4:39:17 PM PDT by OWK
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To: Alan Chapman
I was not making an argument. I was making a statement based on your comments, which was more along the lines of intellectual dishonesty.
179 posted on 07/30/2002 4:45:23 PM PDT by Houmatt
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To: Zack Nguyen
Whether someone believes in God or the Scriptures does not change that fact that they are true.

And if somebody chooses not to believe that they are true how do you intend to convince them otherwise? With force?

I am sorry if that sounds harsh. I don't make up the rules.

Sounds to me like you just did.

People who don't believe in God or the Bible are free to live how they wish. America protects them now and will always protect them. But they are not free to damage insitutions and force the rest of us to recognize, accept, and live by their behavior. This is what the homosexual lobby seeks to do.

You mean the homosexual lobby wants to use the force of government to advance their ideas? Does not the religious lobby seek to do the same thing? I mean, they want prayer and Bible-study clubs in government school, they want to hang the 10 Commandments on the walls of government buildings, and they want the taxpayers to pay for it all. Is this not also wrong? Or, is it only wrong when some group you oppose wants to do it? Suppose somebody wanted to hang the Protocols of Alpha Centari on the walls next to the 10 Commandments. Would that be ok with you?

The Bible's authenticity can be trusted completely.

Some believe the authenticity of other religious documents as well. But, I'm afraid that claiming something to be true does not magically make it so.

A culture cannot long survive if it attempts to reconcile two irreconciliable moral viewpoints.

Especially if acts of evil are acted out under the guise of virtue.

180 posted on 07/30/2002 4:46:38 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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