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To: Zack Nguyen
Whether someone believes in God or the Scriptures does not change that fact that they are true.

And if somebody chooses not to believe that they are true how do you intend to convince them otherwise? With force?

I am sorry if that sounds harsh. I don't make up the rules.

Sounds to me like you just did.

People who don't believe in God or the Bible are free to live how they wish. America protects them now and will always protect them. But they are not free to damage insitutions and force the rest of us to recognize, accept, and live by their behavior. This is what the homosexual lobby seeks to do.

You mean the homosexual lobby wants to use the force of government to advance their ideas? Does not the religious lobby seek to do the same thing? I mean, they want prayer and Bible-study clubs in government school, they want to hang the 10 Commandments on the walls of government buildings, and they want the taxpayers to pay for it all. Is this not also wrong? Or, is it only wrong when some group you oppose wants to do it? Suppose somebody wanted to hang the Protocols of Alpha Centari on the walls next to the 10 Commandments. Would that be ok with you?

The Bible's authenticity can be trusted completely.

Some believe the authenticity of other religious documents as well. But, I'm afraid that claiming something to be true does not magically make it so.

A culture cannot long survive if it attempts to reconcile two irreconciliable moral viewpoints.

Especially if acts of evil are acted out under the guise of virtue.

180 posted on 07/30/2002 4:46:38 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
It is amazing how quickly you angrily accuse me of using "force" to convert people. That is simply silly, and if you re-read my statements perhaps you will see that. People will either believe in the Truth individually or they will not. It is up to each of us.

The government, however, uses force constantly. That is the nature of the state. You are furious that I would insist on a moral standard by which to govern.

Yet even now our government follows a particular moral standard, one that in many ways comes from the Christian viewpoint of our founders. Murder, rape, kidnapping, thievery, persecution - we consider these things to be objective moral wrongs and we punish them. We believe (though less and less) that human beings have inherent dignity as created in the image of God. Not every nation does.

So you see that right away our government applies a particular moral standard and disregards others.

If I may be so bold, you would not want to live in a secular society. You would not wish for one if you understood what it entails. A secular society has no basis whatsoever for the dignity of man. Any rights a person has in a secular society are given them by the state. And all the lame discussions in the world by atheists about the "rights of man" does not change the fact that they have nothing to call upon higher than themselves. A secular society would end in tyranny, either by the state or by man. It always has and it always will.

209 posted on 07/31/2002 6:54:46 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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