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Anti-gravity propulsion comes ‘out of the closet’
Jane's Data Service ^ | 29 July 2002 | Nick Cook

Posted on 07/30/2002 8:22:27 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo

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To: LS
Burton Klein, huh? Sounds interesting...do you have a link? Thanks!
81 posted on 07/31/2002 1:39:32 PM PDT by NukeMan
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To: LS
the genuine breakthroughs never come from leaders in the field (at least, none of the top 50 technological breakthroughs in the U.S. in the 20th century did, according to Burton Klein's rather thick study.)

Nuclear chain reactions surely must have made that list, but Enrico Fermi was already a world-famous physicist at the time he did it. Perhaps that loses on a technicality, however, as Fermi was reknowned as a theorist before he changed the world with his experiment.

The theory of superconductivity may not have made that list, although it arguably should have; John Bardeen had already received the Nobel Prize for the invention of the transistor (a strong contender for #1 on any list) when he, Cooper and Schrieffer developed it, earning him another Noble Prize.

82 posted on 07/31/2002 1:45:11 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Noble Prize.

D'oh! A typo. I meant to write "Noble Gas", of course. Yep. Pretty much. <g>

83 posted on 07/31/2002 1:49:33 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Farnsworth's

The guy who left ITT because they nixed his sustained fusion reaction work?

84 posted on 07/31/2002 2:01:38 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Dead Dog
The same. For every research dollar spent on cold fusion cells, $1000 should be spent on the Farnsworth fusor.
85 posted on 07/31/2002 2:16:04 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
The Fuser was pretty neat, do you think it has any credibility?

I, with one undergrad course in Modern Physics, think these Free Energy/Anti-gravity knobs might be onto something. They just discredit themselves with bad vocabulary. The Lifters are producing a thrust, and I believe they have shown to produce a thrust in a vacuum chamber (Purdue?). But to claim Anti-gravity is premeture or worse, sensationalism. Propellentless propulsion is a holy grail in it's own right, it doesn't need the hype.

The free-energy guys are claiming to extract energy from some sort of background radiation flux, it's no more free than solar or hydro-electric. Yet again, they sell it as a something for nothing scheme.

86 posted on 07/31/2002 2:27:58 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Physicist; All
I couldn't pay you guys for a quick course like this.

God bless FR!

87 posted on 07/31/2002 2:31:44 PM PDT by metesky
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To: mhking
Dang! Why didn't you tell us Art is involved? Now I know anti-gravity exists!
88 posted on 07/31/2002 2:44:01 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: Dead Dog
The Fuser was pretty neat, do you think it has any credibility?

Yes.

Propellentless propulsion is a holy grail in it's own right, it doesn't need the hype.

Claiming to break Newton's third law constitutes hype, IMHO.

The free-energy guys are claiming to extract energy from some sort of background radiation flux,

Claiming in effect to break the laws of thermodynamics constitutes hype, too. You can have all the energy in the universe, but if you can't get it to flow from a hot reservoir to a cold one, you can't use it to do work. Background energies are almost by definition "cold".

89 posted on 07/31/2002 3:15:35 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: metesky
I couldn't pay you guys for a quick course like this.

Why, sure you could! Don't stand on ceremony.

:-)

90 posted on 07/31/2002 3:16:55 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Dead Dog
free-energy

Related to zero-point energy. Energy is useless, work is what counts. Zero-point energy and free-energy can't do work. There is no free lunch.

91 posted on 07/31/2002 3:21:20 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
The jury is still out on that one:

http://www.quantumfields.com/bortman.htm

Like everything else in thermodynamics, it is where you draw the control volume.
92 posted on 07/31/2002 4:24:49 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Physicist
Klein looks at things like the transistor, which was not invented by the vacuum-tube people---the leaders in the field, or the Apple, which was not invented by IBM.
93 posted on 07/31/2002 5:41:19 PM PDT by LS
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To: NukeMan
No, but his book is called "Dynamic Economics." VERY interesting. For ex., he looks at the backgrounds of many of the automakers in the early 1900s and traces their success to a farm background.
94 posted on 07/31/2002 5:42:10 PM PDT by LS
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To: carpio
It is a proven and well known fact that Bumble Bee's can not fly.

Wow, a fallacy, a grammatical error and a spelling error all in the same sentence!

95 posted on 07/31/2002 6:11:11 PM PDT by Junior
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To: Dead Dog
There should be some peer-reviewed articles. Are there any?
97 posted on 07/31/2002 7:01:58 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Physicist
Don't stand on ceremony.

Isn't that what Little Tommy Daschle stands on to see over the podium?

98 posted on 07/31/2002 7:28:58 PM PDT by metesky
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To: Physicist
Your degree isn't in finance, is it?

It ain't conspiracy bud, just human nature, and 'nothing personal, it's just business.'

99 posted on 07/31/2002 8:26:53 PM PDT by Free Vulcan
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