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Not good!
1 posted on 07/29/2002 7:41:35 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
i don't know about 'not good'.

i can hardly wait for the us gov't to default on its loans and leave china holding the bag. you would think that communists would be smarter than to invest in socialistic programs!

2 posted on 07/29/2002 7:44:44 PM PDT by mlocher
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To: Enemy Of The State
Why is it not good? They have no power to influence buy owning federal bonds. Bonds are debt, not stock. When you own stock, you can tell the company whose stock you own what to do. When you own bonds, you have no such rights whatsoever. A bondholder cannot tell the US government what to do just because he owns a government bond.
3 posted on 07/29/2002 7:45:08 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Enemy Of The State
I especially liked that "China's Taiwan province" part.
5 posted on 07/29/2002 7:48:54 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: Enemy Of The State
Ha ha ha...bonds topped out last week!

Seriously - I'm laughing my myself silly...
7 posted on 07/29/2002 7:52:22 PM PDT by d4now
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To: Enemy Of The State
Hey, what's with the statement "China's province.....Taiwan"?

Jiang and the other octa-thugs should look to thier southwest for some renegade provinces. Lobelt Mugabe call home!

8 posted on 07/29/2002 7:54:48 PM PDT by free from tyranny
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China Becomes US Second Biggest Bondholder

Such is the legacy of a debtor nation that negotiates one way trade deals that inures to the benefit of the other side. The Chickens are coming home to roost.

10 posted on 07/29/2002 7:57:46 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: Enemy Of The State
China's Taiwan Province

Right, Dorothy, click your red shoes together and keep saying, "China's Taiwan Province, China's Taiwan Province"--

[China, Delusional Loser; China, Delusional Loser. . . .]

11 posted on 07/29/2002 7:58:57 PM PDT by PhilDragoo
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To: Enemy Of The State
"Not good!"

I don't know about that. Would you nuke your bank?

12 posted on 07/29/2002 8:01:44 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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To: Enemy Of The State
So China for a long time has been one of the largest holders of US dollar reserves. I don't see this has a big deal. I'm more concerned about the Chicom gov't trying to steal US technology.
13 posted on 07/29/2002 8:07:49 PM PDT by caa26
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To: Enemy Of The State
Let's not lose sight of the fact that we are the biggest bond holders and our number is in the trillions. Trust me on this, nobody really understands what billions of dollars mean.
14 posted on 07/29/2002 8:08:40 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: Enemy Of The State
Well since the US national debt is about 6 trillion, about half of that external (debt owed to third parties rather than inter government debt, most of the latter of which is owed to the social security trust fund), that means the Chinese have about 1.35% of total debt and 2.7% of external debt, and that we are all going to die.
17 posted on 07/29/2002 8:14:18 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Enemy Of The State
TRADE DEFICIT: Formally termed a balance of trade deficit, a condition in which a nation's imports are greater than exports. In other words, a country is buying more stuff for foreigners than foreigners are buying from domestic producers. A trade deficit is usually thought to be bad for a country. For this reason, some countries seek to reduce their trade deficit by--
  1. establishing trade barriers on imports,
  2. reducing the exchange rate (termed devaluation) such that exports are less expensive and imports more expensive, or
  3. invading foreign countries with sizable armies.

 U.S. Trade with China 
(billion dollars)
Year
1991
1992
1993
1994
1995
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
U.S. Imports
19.0
25.7
31.5
38.8
45.5
51.5
62.6
71.2
81.8
100.1
U.S. Exports
6.3
7.4
8.8
9.3
11.7
12.0
12.9
14.2
13.1
16.3
Trade Deficit
12.7
18.3
22.7
29.5
33.8
39.5
49.7
56.9
68.7
83.8

WEALTH: The net ownership of material possessions and productive resources. In other words, the difference between physical and financial assets that you own and the liabilities that you owe. Wealth includes all of the tangible consumer stuff that you possess, like cars, houses, clothes, jewelry, etc.; any financial assets, like stocks, bonds, bank accounts, that you lay claim to; and your ownership of resources, including labor, capital, and natural resources. Of course, you must deduct any debts you owe.

VALUE ADDED: The increase in the value of a good at each stage of the production process. The value that's being increased is specifically the ability of a good to satisfy wants and needs either directly as a consumption good or indirectly as a capital good. A good that provides greater satisfaction has greater value. In essence, the whole purpose of production is to transform raw materials and natural resources that have relatively little value into goods and services that have greater value.

SERVICE: An activity that provides direct satisfaction of wants and needs without the production of a tangible product or good. Examples include information, entertainment, and education. This term good should be contrasted with the term good, which involves the satisfaction of wants and needs with tangible items. You're likely to see the plural combination of these two into a single phrase, "goods and services," to indicate the wide assortment of economic production from the economy's scarce resources.

Wealth is created only by engaging in value-added activities. By the same token, Service sector activities do not create wealth, they merely transfer, redistribute and eventually dissipate wealth as consumption. Thus, as value-added activities move offshore and the U.S. labor force shifts to the Service Sector, wealth is dissipated, not created. And the U.S. standard of living declines as a result.
22 posted on 07/29/2002 8:30:05 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Enemy Of The State
If they want to be repaid, they should stop making stupid statements about nuking Los Angeles if the US tries to prevent the PRC from taking over Taiwan. For the Chinese to own so much US debt actually gives us quite a bit of leverage with them (pun intended). It is not like that of a third world country with respect to the World Bank or an ordinary person versus creditors; it is more analogous to the position that Donald Trump faced in the 90's versus his creditors. Donald Trump's creditors did not want to liquidate his assest, because they would have lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
28 posted on 07/29/2002 9:15:43 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Enemy Of The State; Jeff Head
Bump.
36 posted on 07/29/2002 9:39:17 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Enemy Of The State
China's Taiwan Province ??? Oh please. A "province" with its own banking system, elected government, currency, military, embassies. Sigh... apologies if this is a little off the topic, but I'm still trying to get around the bs.
37 posted on 07/29/2002 9:41:12 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: Enemy Of The State
Quite the contrary. It is great. Let's look back at Japan, shall we? In the 1980s, there was a great hue and cry about Japan becoming a large U.S. bondholder. They were going to "take over" our markets. (CLUE: U.S. investors hold more than 85% of all U.S. credit---so if the ChiComs are the "largest" remaining of that, the MOST they could hold would be 7%).

Anyway, what did we learn from the Japan "threat?" That the Japanese were putting their money here because it wasn't safe/secure THERE. It was a flee from tyranny, not a takeover attempt, which simply can't happen, especially from a still-3d world country such as Com. China.

57 posted on 07/30/2002 6:08:31 AM PDT by LS
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To: Travis McGee
China bump
63 posted on 07/30/2002 6:24:40 AM PDT by Mulder
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To: Enemy Of The State
If they attack Taiwan, or misbehave in Tibet or elsewhere, we just cancel those bonds or default on them.
95 posted on 07/30/2002 8:52:14 PM PDT by crystalk
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