Bring Back The Death Penalty. Better Yet, Public Execution!

Toogood Reports ^ | July 29, 2002 | Barbara Stanley

[Stand Watch Listen]

This is probably the hardest piece I have ever written. I, you see, am a mother. I have two children and I have watched the last few months as children have been abducted, tortured, sexually abused, thrown away or hidden in debris as the murderers continue to prey. I don´t want to see this anymore. It is past time to send a strong message to those who will kill our most innocent citizens.

Everyone is wondering how this could happen. But I know we have cheapened life to such an extent that the infanticide, neutrally labeled partial birth abortion, is but the stench of a society which cares little for precious life. And these little ones, just at birth, or just in their most tender youth, need protection and it is up to us to give it to them.

I want a public execution. I want retribution. I want revenge and I want a deterrent to this happening again. I want there to be absolutely no doubt as to what fate awaits any who will steal life and sanctity from our children. I want the murderers to pay for the anguish the parents´ will live with forever.

I don´t want NAMBLA or the ACLU or any psychiatrist telling me the perp had a deprived childhood. I don´t particularly care about how rough life was for them; we have all had our trials and tests, our harsh or unloving parents or other challenges, yet few of us have become so twisted as to have relief only come from the death of an innocent child. Justice for those innocents, that´s what I want. Let G-d deal with the guilty.

On the other side of the world, terrorists blow little children apart and I have seen the blood stains by the overturned stroller. I don´t care about the excuse of ‘humiliation´ that I am treated to by those who sympathize with evil. I have seen the photographs of little children wearing bomber´s vests in the parades; I have been sickened by the sight of infants with hand grenades hung around their tiny necks. I have heard from their own unknowing mouths how they want to drink the blood of infidels in their parents´ Jihad. If this isn´t child abuse, I don´t know what is.

We are dealing – now – here – with our own atrocities and I want to see the bastards pay. Child molesters and child killers are not rehabilitatable. They are lost causes. There is not a shred of hope for those who have such twisted minds. They need to be put down, as one would destroy a distempered pit bull.

I don´t want to hear any more lawyers arguing for ‘rights´ for those who have held none for children. I do not want to watch anymore long, drawn-out trials nor endless appeals. When the evidence is all-consuming, when the perp has the child´s blood or fibers or any evidence on him, just finish it there and then.

If the parents´ are swingers and bring home strangers they picked up in a bar for group sex, I want it admitted at trial and not hushed up. I have seen too many dead children to care one whit if the parents´ are upset by their exposure in the public arena. Perhaps I am lacking compassion. Perhaps I have just had too much for any mother´s heart to bear. I don´t care. I want retribution and I want those who are guilty to never, ever again, have any chance to do it again.

[decimon]

So you are saying that a person convicted of a heinous offense is not responsble for commiting that offense?

I've said nothing of the sort.

Are you trying to say that "it takes a villiage" to commit a gruesom murder?

What village is your head in. I've said nothing about any village. Everything I've said is individualistic.

Or maybe that it's not really Mr. Murderer's fault, that it's "society's" fault?

Is that like the San Andreas fault? What are you talking about?

With all of those advantages, if some schmuck manages to get himself caught up in a capital rap and can't plea bargain down to a lesser offense, then he's not exactly a bonus for the gene pool.

How do you rate your standing in the gene pool pecking order?

[sinkspur]

How do you feel about Bill O'Reiley's stand on the death penalty?

As you say, he feels that the death penalty isn't severe enough. People can get used to anything, even a life of hard labor.

Also, who knows what some liberal legislature might do in the future? Prison for life hasn't always meant that, and it could revert to that again.

Death is final and it takes away from a man that which is most dear to him.

One should take every precaution that no innocent man is sent to his death, but one should also remember that far more murderers get away with their crimes than are executed for them.

[BikerNYC]

There likely aren't any.

I'm glad that this standard of probability ("likely") is sufficent for you. It isn't for me.

Like I said, I didn't see these crimes take place. Both of us are relying on the words of others. I don't know one way or another whether the claims in my post are true. Who could possibly know?

I don't know what would satisfy you as "proof" that an error had been committed. Proof in this context just means convincing evidence. Obviously the evidence in my post doesn't convince you. That's fine. It obviously has convinced others.

Like I said, we know that errors have been made with imprisoning people for long periods of time. I see no reason to exclude those sentenced to death from the category of criminal cases where mistakes have been made. Humans are just not that smart or careful not to make mistakes that would lead to a wrongful execution.

[Knitebane]

What village is your head in. I've said nothing about any village. Everything I've said is individualistic.

Then perhaps you want to tell me whose words these are, stating that responsibility isn't limited to those who commit a crime?

Taking responsibility is not limited to those who've managed to get indicted for something.

Wiggle time.

How do you rate your standing in the gene pool pecking order?

So far, pretty good. I haven't been arrested, tried and convicted of a capital crime, nor do I wring my hands and wail about the supposed unjustness of a convicted murderer or rapist getting what they have coming to them.

[Fithal the Wise]

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

[sinkspur]

Like I said, we know that errors have been made with imprisoning people for long periods of time. I see no reason to exclude those sentenced to death from the category of criminal cases where mistakes have been made.

I do. The appeals process in death penalty cases can literally be endless. In addition, MOST of those on death row, at least in Texas, has a rap sheet as long as your arm and knows how to work the system.

I'm not a subscriber to the liberal mantra that it's better for all the gullty men to escape death than for an innocent man to be executed. One cannot have absolute certainty about anything in this life; only proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Now, with DNA, there's 99.9% certainty that no innocent will be executed. So that ought to allay the fears of all those except the true bleeding hearts.

[decimon]

Wasn't there just a thread on how the FBI played footsie with select gangsters in Boston? Something about some guys spending some long jail sentences for what the authorities knew they hadn't done?

[BikerNYC]

Yes, I am aware of the appeals process as well, having practiced criminal law for a long time. Death row inmates are entitled to no more appeals than are any other defendant.

And the fact that people have criminal records on death row is not sufficient evidence for me that they deserved a death sentence.

DNA testing will only work if there is DNA evidence from the crime scene. Moreover, many prosecutor's have presented the argument that just because another person's DNA was found on the scene, doesn't mean the defendant did not participate in the crime. Obviously, however, DNA will help.

I don't think it's a liberal mantra that it's better to let 10 guilty people go free than to execute one innocent person. I think that's a mantra for someone who belives in limited and restrained government.

So it is clear, now, that you support the death penalty with the knowledge that we will not have certainty that only the guilty are executed, but that it is possible that the innocent might be executed as well. I understand your argument, but it's not one I'm comfortable with.

[decimon]

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The government is far from perfect. Is that imperfection the friend of the good?

[Wondervixen]

Simple solution...Anyone who tries to get in the way of an execution where DNA evidence has proven conclusively to the guilt of the condemned gets a quick bullet to the brain themselves.

Kinda weeds out the sewer of namby pamby monkey wrenches, doesn't it?

[carenot]

mental defectives on death row, and 17 year olds on death row to kick up dust.

I think being retarded,nuts or 17 is not an excuse.

Especially the ones that don't know what they doing, if they don't know it is wrong why do we keep them alive?

[decimon]

An NYC criminal lawyer? Talk about job security.

[Wondervixen]

Go back to the DNC site and boo hoo all you want, we're not putting up with it here anymore.

[sinkspur]

So it is clear, now, that you support the death penalty with the knowledge that we will not have certainty that only the guilty are executed, but that it is possible that the innocent might be executed as well.

I support the death penalty with the knowledge that we will have as much certainty as it is possible to have in this life that only the guilty are executed.

I respect your position, however. Who knows? Maybe life in prison without parole IS more of a punishment than a quick needle.

[Wondervixen]

Are you willing to take responsibility for the cold blooded murders of innocent unborn babies? Call them anything you want to make your black as soot conscience feel better about it...It's what makes liberals what they are, isn't it?

[Wondervixen]

>>Too bad the DP isn't a deterrent.

Sure it is...Point out JUST ONE executed murderer who ever did it again! JUST ONE!

Psssst...Freddy Krueger, Mike Myers, and Jason don't count.

[BikerNYC]

Yes and no. Many potential clients, but few who can pay the required fees (although now, with more wealthy people coming online, so to speak, the fees are there).

[Wondervixen]

Not just hanging...Hang 'em in front of a firing squad!

[AmericanCompatriot]

Perhaps it's time to overthrow these rats and begin running the nation for the majority!

I'm not sure if enough of the country is on board quite yet, but I have a feeling this day and age is coming. Let's HOPE the government doesn't interject the military into public life before this all happens.

[jjm2111]

A few death row inmates have recently been freed due to new DNA evidence.