[Swordmaker]

You've heard of the conservation of energy right? It IS physically impossible for TWA 800 have climbed if it didn't lose horizontal velocity, all other physical evidence and facts aside.

The radar data clearly shows that it didn't slow down, so it didn't climb.

We could argue back and forth with equations in relation to lift and drag, we could argue about how TWA 800 didn't go into a ballistic climb as its engines were at idle, we could argue about all sorts of things related to the time it would have taken for it to hit the water in relation to the altitudes claimed by the CIA and NTSB videos. In the end, upon close examination of any or all of those issues, the facts would indicate that TWA 800 DIDN'T go into this theoretical zoom climb.

The BEST physical evidence we have IS the radar data at this point, and it clearly shows that TWA 800 didn't climb after the initiating event which occured between 20:31:12 and 20:31:16.7. The data shows a ballistic fall, the termination of said ballistic fall in perfect agreement with where the debris was found...

Former,

Rokke and I went round and round about this. He apparently believes that TWA800 converted ALL of its considerable forward momentum into upward momentum because the aircraft MAY have sustained lift for a few seconds and pitched up. Then, ignoring drag and other forces, he believes it proceeded to climb to the theoretical maximum altitude the momentum would allow before wafting slowly to the ground like a leaf.

He will ignore ALL data to the contrary. He will postulate strawman arguments and then gnaw them to death until you get tired and make a small error... then he will pounce on that.

[Rokke]

"Rokke and I went round and round about this.
True.
"He apparently believes that TWA800 converted ALL of its considerable forward momentum into upward momentum because the aircraft MAY have sustained lift for a few seconds and pitched up."
Not true. Here is exactly what I believe as I have already stated in post #359

"...as you have said, it took 3 seconds for the wings to stall after the initiating event. The NTSB has applied the data given to it by Boeing and calculated that at the time of the stall, the pitch of TWA 800 was 30 degrees nose high and its airspeed was 260KCAS. Remember that it reached that pitch during 3 seconds of increasing vertical velocity caused by an up to 2.7g climb. If you assume it was in a 30 degree climb when it stalled, it would have peaked about 800ft above its stall altitude, which was the IE altitude plus 3 seconds of climb before the wings stalled. Even if you assumed the rate of climb remained 33 ft per sec during those 3 seconds, you now have a climb of 900ft. Considerably more than the 100-200 feet you assume, and closing on the 1200-2200ft the NTSB assumes. How do you account for the other 300-1200ft. Well, we don't actually know the rate of climb after the FDR shutdown. The NTSB used data provided by Boeing, and several computers to calculate and simulate the flightpath of a crumbling aircraft. We used some very raw assumptions and a calculator. I imagine there are several factors not included in our raw assumptions that are included in the data the NTSB used."

"Then, ignoring drag and other forces, he believes it proceeded to climb to the theoretical maximum altitude the momentum would allow before wafting slowly to the ground like a leaf."
Not true.
"He will ignore ALL data to the contrary."
I WISH that were true. I could have avoided a 200 post interaction with you if I did.
"...until you get tired and make a small error...
Ummm, Swordmaker...your error (which you finally admitted to) came in your initial post containing your calculations. It took until post #360 to admit it. That was tiresome.