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1 posted on 07/26/2002 2:02:45 PM PDT by CFW
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Asked what would happen if a person didn't have the money to fix something such as an elderly woman on a fixed income. "Well, we have neighborhood associations. So we would probably go to the neighborhood association and see if there's any help." Asked what would happen if there were no help available from the association, Wallner said, "Then we would ask then to get in touch with... We would do what we could, but at some point someone's got to fix the broken window."

Sheesh! Looks like it would be easier, quicker, and cheaper if Mr. Wallner just drove out and fixed it himself!

2 posted on 07/26/2002 2:12:53 PM PDT by OBAFGKM
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Wallner said that they have had the right since the 1960s to inspect the inside of the home if they had a petition that was signed by five neighbors.

Amendment IV, according to Montreat, NC:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, does not exist, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon the petition of five nosy busy-bodies, supported by suspicion or any other reason or even no reason at all, and particularly describing the shakedown we'll give you, and the person's whose rights are to be egregiously violated."

Seriously, this is no less than I would expect from a communist country. How sad.

3 posted on 07/26/2002 2:13:36 PM PDT by freeeee
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Asked what would happen if a homeowner refused to allow inspectors into the house without a warrant, Wallner replied, "We get an administrative search warrant. Then they have to let us in, but that never happens."

This is ridiculous. An "administrative search warrant" is nothing more than a piece of paper. Search warrants are issued by judges upon a demonstration of probably cause by the requesting agency (police or otherwise). The judge performs a critical, constitutional gatekeeping function.

4 posted on 07/26/2002 2:14:12 PM PDT by mondonico
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THIS IS MOST DANGEROUS THING I'VE EVER SEEN TO HIT THIS COUNTRY!Zoning&planning commissions as well as any government offices should be eliminated from all communities,THERE IS NO "BUGGER MAN"we need protection from.
5 posted on 07/26/2002 2:14:15 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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Next they will want to tell you that you can't drive an SUV.
6 posted on 07/26/2002 2:15:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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Sounds like North Carolina of the Old South is becoming more and more like today's New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts. I'm in MA, and that's the sort of invasive government busybody-ness I'd expect people to ask for here.

I'm thinking of moving to New Hampshire, where things are still a bit like they used to be. Maine, strangely enough, is dominated by the liberals that have flooded into the southern part of the state, although government is often ignored in the more rural areas DownEast.

7 posted on 07/26/2002 2:15:23 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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hot water heaters

Why do you have to heat hot water?

8 posted on 07/26/2002 2:16:41 PM PDT by jimkress
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yeah, but you are free, remember? now pay your damn taxes or get thrown in jail, serf.
9 posted on 07/26/2002 2:17:10 PM PDT by galt-jw
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PING! The government property kings are at it again.
12 posted on 07/26/2002 2:26:51 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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Sounds like a law to produce reverse Robin Hood results to me. Just when I think our government at federal, state, and local levels, can't sink to new unconstitutional lows in conducting their business or rather trying to conduct others business for them, they prove me wrong everytime. The local well known clergy needs to preach a sermon on robbing widows and the poor's homes and purses.
15 posted on 07/26/2002 2:33:49 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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You got it.

I don't know why people feel they have this right to make money on an investment. You see it everywhere from Enron all the way down to home ownership.

People invest money and make a profit, that's great! If they invest money and lose it? Well, then it's someone elses fault.

IMO your right to do what you want with regard to the appearance of your home trumps this fake "right" your neighbors have to make a profit on their investment.

Otherwise, you have situations like this where towns are grabbing land under immenient domain to build shopping malls and homeowners associations have to approve the color of your house.

It get's ridiculous and as long as it's not their ox being gored and they stand to profit, don't expect your neighbors to say a word in opposition.

16 posted on 07/26/2002 2:45:42 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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Yet more civil liberties sacrificed in the name of "Safety".
18 posted on 07/26/2002 2:52:15 PM PDT by BlessingInDisguise
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Is there doubt in any mind that this is just part of the crap the Founding Fathers were trying to protect us from when they attempted to limit the powers of government? Too bad we couldn't stick to it. Unfortunately, there are far too many penny-ante dictators around. And they just gravitate to jobs like these planning and zoning commission positions where they can make up the rules. They are so absolutely convinced of the importance of their latest brain fart they have no compunction about making new laws. They will stop at absolutely nothing. The Constitution has no meaning to them.
20 posted on 07/26/2002 3:02:03 PM PDT by laredo44
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* Requiring the use of only natural materials for homes and structures, to include "wood, stone and natural materials."

That means no plastic water pipe, etc. There goes the cost of construction.

What about paint? It's not a natural material.........

21 posted on 07/26/2002 3:02:40 PM PDT by Lockbox
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While the ordinance deals mainly with outside appearances, Wallner said that they have had the right since the 1960s to inspect the inside of the home if they had a petition that was signed by five neighbors.

Which one of the five neighbors wants to try and come in first?

24 posted on 07/26/2002 3:08:40 PM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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One question, Where are they going to bury all these inspectors? In their "nature preserve", that will pollute it beyond all hope!
25 posted on 07/26/2002 3:43:01 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever!
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“We get an administrative search warrant, and then they have to let us in…”

They would snoop around my home over my dead body. I mean that in the most literal sense.

26 posted on 07/26/2002 3:51:29 PM PDT by AAABEST
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bump
29 posted on 07/26/2002 4:22:44 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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I didn't realize this lunacy had spread outside California. In the San Francisco Bay Area (from www.vallejonews.com):

10:12 pm PT, Sunday, Jul 21, 2002
Blight-buster or right-wronger?

By Edith Alderette
Staff writer

VALLEJO - Not all rentals are the same in Vallejo. Some are spacious homes with every modern amenity imaginable. Others are small, squalid and, in many cases, in violation of public health or building codes.

The latter and their effect on neighborhood blight has prompted the city to look into writing a new law requiring landlords of rental property to open their apartments and condominiums up to code-enforcement officers for inspection.

The proposed "Vallejo Rental Property Program" has health-care groups and neighborhood associations cheering that poorly maintained, substandard rental housing may finally be hunted down by the city and either fixed or removed from the market.

But landlords say the fees the city would charge constitute a unfair tax they would have to pass on to tenants through increased rents.

Renters in cities where such laws have been implemented say they also resent being forced to let the government go through their cupboards just because they don't own their homes.

The new law, brought before the Vallejo City Council in July 2001, met with sound support of numerous groups, including the Sutter Street Neighborhood Association, Kaiser Permanente Napa-Solano and Solano Coalition for Better Health.

However, before any vote was taken, City Attorney Fred Soley put the ordinance on hold to clear up questions about whether council members who are landlords may vote. Soley says the law could be come back to the council as early as September.

Under the ordinance, rental properties throughout the city would be inspected on a regular basis to make sure conditions are up to city standards and to ensure that tenants are maintaining them safely and properly. Advocates involved in the law's development say they hope to eventually check out every apartment in the city. "Over a couple or four years, maybe more, each piece of rental property would receive an inspection," said Michael Sparks of Fighting Back Partnership, a nonprofit Vallejo organization that helped develop the proposed ordinance.

The city, Sparks said, would begin by inspecting units in buildings notorious for squalor. After giving the landlord notice, code-enforcement officers would then be allowed to enter units to check for evidence of code violations, like non-functioning smoke detectors, mildew and rot, vermin, broken appliances, poor lighting and blocked fire escapes.

Any violations would have to be repaired immediately or the landlord would be required to remove the unit from the market and find other living arrangements for tenants.

When inspectors come to bottom of the list, they would begin again at the top. Sparks said an apartment building that has no code problems would be inspected about every four years, while those buildings with problems would be seen again by officers every two to three years after they were fixed.

Law enforcement officials eagerly greet the prospect of a rental-inspection law, noting that poor housing correlates directly with crime rates in neighborhoods throughout the city. "Basically, what we find is a high level of blight and criminal activity go hand in hand with run-down properties in some of the more dilapidated areas," said Sgt. Larry Jiles of the Vallejo Police Department.

As a member of the central substation's Beat Health Program, he says his officers regularly discover abysmal living conditions in many of Vallejo's depressed neighborhoods, and the new law would give those tenants a way to get their apartments upgraded without having to face repercussions from an angry landlord.

"We go into many rental units that have broken windows in disrepair, where they can't be open or closed, where the floors are deteriorated, where there's a high degree of mold. There are holes in the bathroom floors from toilets or sinks that have torn away from the walls or the floor. Some don't have heaters that operate," he said. "People shouldn't have to live that way."

Objections to the law

Others, however, are not so enthusiastic.

The state's largest landlord association says the fees that landlords would be charged to maintain the program are an unfair and dig into their slim profits, and that an increase in costs to rent a property will only result in higher rents.

Landlords would be required to pay an annual inspection fee of $50 to $75 to keep their units on the market, Sparks said. The cash could be used to hire more officers to inspect properties.

In other cities where such laws have been implemented, like Concord, Daly City, Oakland and San Rafael, the fee is assessed annually, even though the inspections only happen once every several years. Costs range from $17 to $70 a year.

Theresa Karr, regional government relations director for Vallejo-based California Apartment Association, the state's largest trade and lobbying association for landlords and property managers, says her members resent having to pay annually for problems they don't cause.

"It's like Big Brother's in your pocket again," she said. "In Concord, what [property owners] resent most is the fee. From them, it's, 'Get the bad guy, but I have 300 units here. Why do I have to pay a fee for each of my units because the city's trying to get that slumlord over there?' They really think there should be another way."

Others aren't cheering the new law either and worry it would effectively make a different set of constitutional rights for homeowners and renters. Owners would receive the Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches, while renters would be forced to let city officials enter their homes.

"This housing inspection thing is a Trojan horse for two reasons: It's a way to abuse poor people and it's a way to make money by taxing everybody," said Vallejo attorney Dan Healy.

With such a law, Healy said, a city can force landlords to open units, even if a renter objects. If a property owner or a tenant refuses to allow officers entry, an inspection warrant -- similar to a search warrant -- would be signed by a judge to allow the code-enforcement officers entry.

Unlike search warrants, however, inspection warrants are much easier to get. While obtaining a search warrant requires the city to go through a long process of developing proof that something illegal is going on inside the unit and presenting a compelling argument to a judge, all officers need for an inspection warrant is to explain they have not been allowed entry and the rental-inspection ordinance mandates that they have the right to enter.

"It's a nice way to get them in to conduct searches without probable cause," Healy said.< snip >

Evidently enforcing existing laws doesn't occur to these people--not when the power to march into private homes is so tempting. After all they are from the government and are here to help, right? ARRGGGH

30 posted on 07/26/2002 4:36:37 PM PDT by djreece
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Mm Hmm. I lived in a couple of cities in Texas in which the city electrical inspector could inspect your home for any “safety” related reason. Not many people knew that. You could refuse to let him in – that was OK. He could then pull your meter until such time as you agreed to the inspection.

You could call the electrical utility to have your meter re-installed, but they won’t do it without a sign off from the electrical inspector. So you either cooperate willingly or unwillingly, but cooperate is what you will do…

I understand the Fire Chief had similar powers… I don’t know what he could shut down if you refuse to cooperate though.

31 posted on 07/26/2002 5:04:54 PM PDT by thatsnotnice
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