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The Terrorist Motel: The I-40 connection between Moussaoui and Atta
LA Weekly ^ | JULY 26 - AUGUST 1, 2002 | Jim Crogan

Posted on 07/25/2002 5:08:14 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: aculeus
It certainly is interesting that this type of article keeps cropping up, trying to establish a credible link between Jihad Islam and McViegh.

I'm not convinced, yet.

It is very suspicious that the Fed. Gov. was hell bent to put Mcveigh to death as quickly as is happened. And its very suspicious that John doe#2 looks like Padilla. These things are supsicion not evidence.

41 posted on 07/26/2002 8:37:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: aculeus
From article in reply #35:

Wednesday, a federal court denied bond to Menepta. Instead, they want to further investigate his possible ties to terrorists. He roomed with Moussaoui, who has been linked to the hijackers

42 posted on 07/26/2002 8:59:35 AM PDT by honway
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To: BlueDogDemo
43 posted on 07/26/2002 9:11:56 AM PDT by honway
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To: Paid4This
Where did you hear about Hamas in Columbia MO?

A map of the USA with a number of "hot spots" are denoted has been posted here
a number of times at freerepublic.
MY GUESS is that it was lifted from Emerson's recent book:
American Jihad: The Terrorists Living Among Us by Steven Emerson

The map shows that there was a Hamas chapter at Columbia, MO and lists a few other
groups (I can't recall which ones).

...there as a very active and vocal anti-Israeli movement there as well.

You're probably aware this is pretty common in academia now.
Kind of amazing when guys in tweed jackets reveal themselves to be
spiritual brothers of the KKK, isn't it?
(I'm not saying Israel is always on the side of the angels, but I sure
prefer it over the Palestinian Authority.)
I don't know if you know of Victor Davis Hanson, a professor of classics at a
state university in California, says that his observation is that on most campi,
the faculty is 90% pro-Palestinian, while the student body is about 90% pro-Israel.
(Hanson writes a column for National Review; you can check him out at:
44 posted on 07/26/2002 9:23:24 AM PDT by VOA
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To: honway
A story from the Nov. 8, 2001 Daily Oklahoman
A Norman man in jail on a weapons charge once belonged to a
radical Islamic group whose members hated the United States, a
confidential informant told the FBI in 1995.

Mujahid Abdulqaadir Menepta, 51, also once threatened to shoot
any police officer who entered the prayer area of a mosque, an
unidentified University of Oklahoma student told the FBI.

Menepta was arrested Oct. 11 by the FBI as a material witness in
connection to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. He was first detained
because of his friendship with Zacarias Moussaoui, who continues to
be held in New York as a material witness. Moussaoui, 33, attended a Norman flight school earlier this year
before moving to Minnesota to receive training at the Pan Am
International Flight Academy. He was arrested Aug. 17 on an
immigration violation.

An instructor in Minnesota became suspicious of Moussaoui, a
French citizen, because he wanted to practice steering - but not
landing - a jumbo jet simulator. French intelligence later informed
American authorities that Moussaoui had connections to "radical
Islamic extremists" and made multiple trips to the Middle East.

After Menepta's arrest, the FBI found three weapons and more
than 600 rounds of ammunition in his Norman home. Federal
prosecutors charged him with being a convicted felon in possession
of firearms.

In an Oct. 2 interview with The Oklahoman , Menepta called
Moussaoui a scapegoat.

"I don't think he is a terrorist," Menepta said. "I understand
terrorism quite well. I am a victim of terror, America's terror. I
am a descendant of slaves."

Menepta is not accused of being involved in the Sept. 11
terrorist attacks. But during a federal court hearing Wednesday an
agent for the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
testified that a confidential informant described Menepta as violent.

The source surfaced in 1995 the day after the Murrah Building
was bombed in Oklahoma City. ATF agent Jeffrey Whitney testified
the OU student told the FBI about his association with an Islamic
group in Norman and St. Louis whose leaders suggested committing
terrorist acts and killing law enforcement officers.

The informant said he traveled to St. Louis in the summer of
1994 and met Menepta, Whitney testified. The informant claimed he
saw weapons in Menepta's home, the agent testified.

A St. Louis police officer once entered a mosque, according to
the informant, and Menepta later vowed to shoot any police officer
who entered the prayer area, Whitney testified.

Whitney also testified some telephone numbers traced from cell
phones seized during a search of Menepta's home and car are
associated with ongoing criminal investigations in St. Louis;
Kansas City; Detroit; El Paso, Texas; and Oklahoma City. The
investigations involve organized crime, drugs and money laundering,
he testified.

Menepta's relationship with Moussaoui was not mentioned during
Wednesday's hearing. Assistant U.S. Attorney John Richter presented
the evidence to persuade U.S. Magistrate Gary Purcell that Menepta
is a danger to the community and should remain in jail.

Menepta's attorney, Federal Public Defender Susan Otto,
questioned the informant's credibility. She called the evidence
"speculation and supposition" and said it never resulted in anyone
being charged with a crime.

Whitney testified Menepta claimed the Secret Service told him
that his visa number was used by one of the terrorists who bombed
the World Trade Center in 1993. Whitney said he could not confirm
that information.

Menepta's prior felony conviction was 30 years ago for
aggravated robbery in Colorado. He served almost four years in
prison before being paroled in 1974 after his arrest for armed
robbery and desertion from the military. His name at the time was
Melvin Lattimore.

Menepta changed his named in 1989 after his conversion to Islam.
Born in the United States, he made a trip to Pakistan in 1990. He
told the FBI he went to Pakistan to study Islam.

In 1998, Menepta received a one-year suspended sentence in
Missouri after being convicted of unlawful use of a weapon. Whitney
testified Menepta was arrested in St. Louis at a demonstration
carrying a concealed weapon.

Purcell ruled there is sufficient evidence for Menepta to be
tried on the weapons charge. He ordered Menepta to remain in
federal custody, citing his prior criminal conviction and history
of marijuana and cocaine use.

The judge also noted Menepta's unstable domestic life and
limited financial resources. Menepta has been married six times and
is $ 200,000 in debt.

The guns found in Menepta's home were a loaded .380
semiautomatic pistol, a loaded Chinese semiautomatic rifle and a
12-gauge shotgun.
45 posted on 07/26/2002 2:00:54 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: PhiKapMom
In case you missed this.......
46 posted on 07/26/2002 2:17:00 PM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: aculeus; thinden May 6,2002

By Paul Bedard; David E. Kaplan; Mark Mazzetti

Your tax dollars at work: Was al Qaeda at OK City?

Rep. Dan Burton, chair of the House Government Reform Committee, is an unabashed investigator of the feds, no matter how far-fetched the charges. But even his own team thinks he has gone off the deep end with his latest project: allegations that Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh is tied to Islamic terrorists. McVeigh, the story goes, met in an Oklahoma City motel with Iraqi agents before the 1995 explosion.

Part two: unsubstantiated reports that two 9/11 hijackers holed up with the suspected 20th attacker, Zacarias Moussaoui, in the same motel last July. Coincidence? Sources say Burton sent investigators to OK City to sniff around, tasked three staffers to the probe, and asked David Schippers, who led a House panel on Bill Clinton's impeachment, to advise.

But that's not all: Burton wants more staff. While there's lots of circumstantial evidence to investigate, like an allegation that the FBI stopped an agent from looking into the Iraqi angle, the feds say it's a waste of money. Ditto some in his committee. "Some attorneys here," says a staffer, "think it's wacko."
47 posted on 07/26/2002 4:23:57 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
OKC bombing bump list
48 posted on 07/26/2002 6:21:24 PM PDT by honway
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To: demnomo; lavaroise; skemper; Noswad; Jeff Head; swarthyguy; OKCSubmariner
Perhaps it's even worse.... in 1993, Yossef Bodansky wrote a paper titled "Beijing's Surge for the Strait of Malacca." In it, he drew clear and verifiable connections between the PLA, the Pakistani ISI, the proto Al Qaida, and, Abu Sayyaf. He also notes Bojinka and the desire of the CCP to use "Islamic Terrorist" proxies to attack Western interests both in SE Asia and elsewhere. Naturally, Bodansky's paper was ignored by both Clinton's cabal as well as the sad excuses for "rightists" who are more obsessed with international trade than any sort of true rightist thought. Anyhow, the plan that we've seen come to fruition in stages since the '93 WTC attack via OKC, PA800, the Cole attack, the EP3 attack and of course 9-11 was already apparent as early as the time frame of OKC.

Following a different thread, Clinton's PLA financing, sanitized via the Riady clan, makes one ask the obvious question regarding why Beezlebubba might have been worried about inquiring minds tracing the OKC attack back to Abu (and perhaps "friends" amongst the Makati ME expat "businessmen" community?) and ulitimately back to the ISI and the PLA. And now, we find that it is even possible that the Russian Mafia nee KGB might have had some angles in some of this as well!

I have been around the block a time or two, done lots of business in Asia, seen both the fruadulant and the pristine and generally developed a reasonably sensitive gut feel. My gut tells me that the hairball that is the sequence of attacks on the US both here and abroad since 1991 (please remember that year) are simply a new strategy being employed by those who have wanted to see the US and the West in general fall for quite some time. I urge anyone who really wants to explore this possibility to read "The Perestroika Deception" (Golitsyn) for starters then a healthy dose of Bodansky, Kagan, Kagan, and, please suspend negative judgment for a moment, Nyquist. Then, take step back and up to the 50,000 foot level and review all that has happened between East and West since WW-II with a view towards the possibility of seemingly unthinkable, but if true, grave, continuity of Eastern strategy after the supposed 1989 - 1991 "big change". Please be sure you are not agitated when you do this. Then, think about just what needs to be done...quick.

Now, with that said, perhaps the cover up instincts of those who would get blamed for the failure to detect the grand deception becomes readily apparent.

49 posted on 07/26/2002 6:22:59 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD
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To: aculeus
A reply by OKCSubmariner on another thread concerning a March,11 2002 Schippers interview:

"I have now listened to the audio of the Quinn radio program today with David Schippers.

Schippers does say that he has a witness who saw and heard friends of Al Hussaini from OKC talking in August of 2001 at a hotel to hijacker pilot Moahmmed Atta and Zacharias Moussaoui (trained at Norman OK flight school and at a flight school in Minnesota).

Schippers described John Doe #2 for the OKC bombing case as the Iraqi Al Hussaini. Schippers says that he now believes that Hussaini is a more more important terrorist operative than he originally realized. Schippers said Hussaini is a key money mover for terrorists and their operations."

50 posted on 07/26/2002 6:40:47 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway


Employees and guests at a motel near downtown Oklahoma City reported seeing McVeigh with several Middle Eastern men in the months before the bombing. One of those men was identified from KFOR's surveillance photos of Samara Properties as possibly being Al-Hussaini. The others were identified as fellow employees of Al-Hussaini.

McVeigh reportedly stayed at the motel, under the name of Bob Kling, an alias he had used before, according to the FBI. The witnesses said they had often seen several of the men moving large barrels around in the back of an old white truck that frequently broke down on the lot. The barrels smelled of diesel, they said, an ingredient in the bomb that destroyed the federal building. According to an FBI report, an Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent confiscated the motel's registration records and logs.

51 posted on 07/26/2002 6:58:16 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
Larry Johnson, the former deputy director of the State Department's office on counterterrorism, told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly Tuesday that the paths of 9-11 hijackers Mohamed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Zacarias Moussaoui crossed on more than one occasion with that of John Doe No. 2, the name given to the man witnesses say helped Timothy McVeigh carry out the Oklahoma City bombing.

Johnson, along with a growing contingent of independent probers, believes that John Doe No. 2 is actually Hussain Hashim Alhussaini, a former member of Iraq's elite Republican Guard.

"The thing that really concerns me relative to 9-11 [is that] when he left Oklahoma around 1996 and 1997, he went to work at Logan Airport in Boston," Johnson told O'Reilly. "We don't know where he is now."

As bizarre as the Logan Airport tie-in may seem, the coincidences don't end there, according to Johnson. "The motel in Oklahoma City where the April [1995] bombing was planned and executed - that same motel figures in [the travel of] two of the 9-11 hijackers and Zacarias Moussaoui," he told O'Reilly.

The al-Qaeda trio stayed at the 1995 bombers' motel just five weeks before the 9-11 attacks, Johnson said. "I've spoken to the owner of the motel," the anti-terror prober said. "After the 9-11 attacks he called the FBI, the FBI came out and interviewed him - and he identified Mohamed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Zacarias Moussauoi." Atta, Al-Shehhi and Moussauoi said they were planning on enrolling in a local flight school, the motel owner told the one-time State Department prober.

52 posted on 07/26/2002 7:28:02 PM PDT by honway
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To: thinden
Mansoor Ijaz, now a New York City-based investment banker who traveled to Sudan more than a half dozen times in the mid-1990s, says he repeatedly relayed offers from the Sudanese government to the Clinton White House to share intelligence on bin Laden. In one case, the president of Sudan offered to arrest and extradite bin Laden and turn over information about global terrorist networks, Ijaz says.

The Clinton administration declined to take him up on the offer, Ijaz has argued in a Los Angeles Times commentary, in the pages of the January issue of the magazine Vanity Fair, and on national television shows.


I know this is unrelated to this thread but I ran across this old story and a light bulb came on. In 1997, the President of Sudan offers to arrest bin Laden and hand him over. Clinton refuses. In August of 1998, Clinton shows his appreciation by ordering U.S. service men and women to attack Sudan with cruise missiles, killing innocent civilians.

53 posted on 07/26/2002 8:13:49 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway; aristeides; rdavis84; thinden; Nita Nupress
Tulsa World
April 30, 2002 Tuesday
Lawmakers skirt report on McVeigh
World Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON -- Members of Oklahoma's congressional delegation kept their distance Monday from a report that a House committee chairman is looking into allegations that Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh had ties to Islamic terrorists.
Most declined to comment, and those who did indicated House Reform Committee Chairman Dan Burton, R-Ind., should let the proper agencies take the lead.

On allegations like this, with thousands of false leads outnumbering the good leads, it's best to check with the original investigators before Congress starts anything on our own," U.S. Rep. Ernest Istook, R-Okla., said. Burton's office did not return repeated phone calls.

According to U.S. News and World Report, Burton is looking into allegations that McVeigh, a veteran of the Persian Gulf war, met with Iraqi agents in an Oklahoma City motel prior to the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. The bombing killed 168 people, the deadliest act of terrorism in the United States until the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the East Coast.

After the meeting, according to the unsubstantiated reports" cited by the magazine, two of the Sept. 11 hijackers used the same motel to meet with Zacarias Moussaoui.

Dubbed the 20th suspected hijacker, Moussaoui lived in Norman while he attended a flight school. He left that school abruptly and was arrested in Minnesota about a month before the hijackings. A man who became his friend has been sentenced to 15 months on an unrelated weapons charge.

Burton, according to the magazine's sources, has dispatched investigators to Oklahoma City and has assigned three members of his panel's staff to work on the matter.

Little else is known about the claims; Burton has not shared his concerns with his colleagues from Oklahoma.

A source told the Tulsa World the FBI field office in Oklahoma City received an urgent" request to make available any documents concerning allegations that McVeigh had connections to foreign actors. That request, the source said, was for a congressional committee.

The federal government has maintained for years that there was no foreign involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing.

Other members of Congress sound satisfied with that explanation.

You would think that in the course of the exhaustive federal investigation into the Oklahoma City bombing that this meeting would have come to light," said Rep. Frank Lucas, R-Okla., whose congressional district included the Murrah building, the target of McVeigh's truck bomb.

An aide for Rep. Wes Watkins, R-Okla., said the congressman is not aware of specific information Burton may have about a possible connection between McVeigh and Islamic terrorists.

If credible evidence exists, the aide said, Watkins believes an investigation should move forward.
Burton's investigation does not represent the first time foreign involvement has been alleged in the Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh's former attorney, Stephen Jones, claimed in his book that the bombing was the work of more than McVeigh and his co-conspirator Terry Nichols.

Jones said Nichols, who was sentenced to life in prison for his role in the bombing, met with the Iraqi intelligence operatives who were responsible for the first World Trade Center bombing.

Both Nichols' attorney and the federal prosecutor have dismissed Jones' claim.
54 posted on 07/28/2002 12:53:19 AM PDT by Wallaby
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To: Wallaby
Great find. Michael Isikof is getting in on the shilling action now...

The Case Against Moussaoui: Internal Doubts
Newsweek/MSNBC | 7/28/02 | Michael Isikoff

55 posted on 07/28/2002 12:46:47 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: All
Fox News is about to start talking about this article in a few minutes, for anyone interested.
56 posted on 07/29/2002 5:51:43 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
Look at today's internet issue of WorldNet Daily - they have loads of articles on OKC bombing -- this mess is finally seeing the light of day.
57 posted on 07/29/2002 5:59:33 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: Elkiejg

As for the Fox News coverage, Steve Doocy must have misunderstood. When they came back from the break, someone from Court TV was there to talk about Moussaoui's blundering legal defense.
58 posted on 07/29/2002 6:51:05 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: aculeus
Bump! Just stumbled across this.
59 posted on 07/29/2002 9:40:49 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
Thanks for the bump.

I suspect more than a few journos lurk at FR. Digging out these stories helps to get the attention they deserve.
60 posted on 07/29/2002 9:59:18 AM PDT by aculeus
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