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House Panel OKs Tougher Gun Checks
Associated Press ^ | Tue, Jul. 23, 2002 | NEDRA PICKLER

Posted on 07/23/2002 2:21:33 PM PDT by USA21

House Panel OKs Tougher Gun Checks

WASHINGTON (AP) - Peter Troy's history of mental illness made it illegal for him to own the gun that police say he used to spray bullets at a Long Island church, killing the priest and a worshipper.

But the database used by the FBI for background checks is so incomplete that Troy was approved to buy a rifle even though he been committed to a mental institution at least twice.

The FBI's system is supposed to identify felons, drug addicts, domestic abusers, illegal immigrants, people who were involuntarily committed to a mental institution and others legally barred from having a gun. It relies on states and other federal agencies to provide criminal, mental health and other records, but many are incomplete or outdated.

The bill to improve the system is named "Our Lady of Peace," after the church where Troy opened fire March 12. It authorizes Congress to spend more than $1.1 billion for states and courts to comply with the law.

"If the FBI had access to New York's records, the senseless act of violence at Our Lady of Peace church in my district could have been averted," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-N.Y., the bill's sponsor.

McCarthy teamed with Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a senior member of the House who is often her foe on gun legislation, to help push for the bill's passage.

Dingell is in the midst of a primary campaign against Rep. Lynn Rivers, who has criticized him for voting against gun control and previously serving on the board of the National Rifle Association.

The NRA supports the bill with reservations. The group says the legislation would speed background checks that can delay gun purchases, but it is concerned that there are no penalties for states that don't supply records to the FBI's database.

Most background checks are completed in a few minutes, but some take up to three days as police are supposed to find paper records that have not been entered in the database. After three days, the gun must be sold to a buyer if the check has not been completed.

"I want to see to it that an honest citizen doesn't lose his Second Amendment rights because of the fact that the state, local and federal people are so inept that the instant check system does not work," Dingell said.

Background checks for prospective gun buyers have been required since February 1994 under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. More than 689,000 people have been denied a gun for failing a background check.

But faulty records allowed at least 9,976 prohibited buyers to buy a gun from December 1998 to June 2001, according to a report by Americans for Gun Safety.

"The entire lynchpin of our system to keep guns out of the wrong hands is the records in the background check system, and those records are in deplorable shape," said Jim Kessler, policy and research director of Americans for Gun Safety. "This will make a difference."

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The bill is H.R. 4757

ON THE NET

National Instant Criminal Background Check System:

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics.htm

Americans for Gun Safety:

http://www.americansforgunsafety.com


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To: demlosers
Have you very heard of the Michael New case?
41 posted on 07/23/2002 3:46:20 PM PDT by USA21
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To: Pistolshot
I predict now that there will be U.N. peacekeepers in America.

They will work along with psychologists, doctors, police, and military.to wich there are Now

They will be able ot put in your address of your home to know everything about you from government data bases.

They will know if you own a gun, the last time that you have seen a doctor, and all of you financial details.

The police wil come to your door with a psychologist and take you for mental testing.

And remember a law was just passed that the government has the right to force feed you drugs.

42 posted on 07/23/2002 3:56:44 PM PDT by USA21
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To: USA21
Have you very heard of the Michael New case?

Yes, I believe he was the Soldier who refused to don a Blue beret. He was right of course, but he bucked the system and the Brass. Just like Billy Mitchell went against the Brass @$$es. They court martialed New like Mitchell because they supposedly threatened order and discipline.

what are peacekeepers?

In most cases a miss-use of our military. They are not meals-on-wheels!

43 posted on 07/23/2002 4:00:59 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
Do you have a copy of the Uniform Code of Military of 1953 ?

look at the changes in Uniform Code

44 posted on 07/23/2002 4:01:21 PM PDT by USA21
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To: demlosers
In most cases a miss-use of our military. They are not meals-on-wheels!

under the command of the United Nation

45 posted on 07/23/2002 4:04:22 PM PDT by USA21
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To: USA21
Speaking of " gun checks " , does your state impose any restrictions on the purchase of shotguns/rifles by out-of-state residents ??

Private reply OK.

46 posted on 07/23/2002 4:05:18 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: USA21
Do you have a copy of the Uniform Code of Military of 1953 ?

look at the changes in Uniform Code

No. I'll put that on my things to do list. :-)

47 posted on 07/23/2002 4:05:55 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: rwfromkansas
I can't believe I am saying this, but it sounds reasonable (in theory) to me. It is dangerous for loonies to be going around with weapons.

May I see your medical records please? Please post them for all of us to judge if you are medically fit to own a firearm. In case you didn't know it such things as simple medication reactions can get you involuntarly committed to a state mental institute. Do you take over the counter cold medications? Be carefull they can do it to ya too. I know make everybody sign for their cold medications also. Anyone purchasing cold medications in the past two years can not purchase a weapon.

This is yet just one more example of government stepping on privacy and second ammendment rights. I do not support it. Also notice the others this covers illegals ect could care less about the stinking Brady Bill because they will buy elsewhere same as I will. I will not make a public gun purchase. It's nonna the Governemts Bussiness.

48 posted on 07/23/2002 4:07:44 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: USA21
under the command of the United Nation

They should never be.

49 posted on 07/23/2002 4:09:57 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Zon
morel[html for strikeover]= a really good mushroom
50 posted on 07/23/2002 4:20:02 PM PDT by GopherIt
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To: Tourist Guy
For one who cries "One is still entitled to their opinion, are they not?", you sure seem to have a problem with opinions other than your own. Go smoke a few cigarettes, calm down, and then go look up the term "realpolitik". (Either that or go jump up and down and make Sarah Brady look like the soul of reason.)
51 posted on 07/23/2002 4:26:52 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: GopherIt
Good catch!
52 posted on 07/23/2002 4:32:28 PM PDT by Zon
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To: rwfromkansas
It is dangerous for loonies to be going around with weapons.

How long before everyone who is listed in the Narc's database for having been perscribed Prozac or other SSRI looses their 2nd Ammendment Rights because they are "loonies."

53 posted on 07/23/2002 4:34:35 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: USA21
The first of many steps to rid americans of guns??????
54 posted on 07/23/2002 4:45:00 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: USA21
What a stupid question. Of course. Some of the things that have been done on Bush's watch I don't like.....especially CFR.
55 posted on 07/23/2002 4:49:53 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: demlosers
UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE
56 posted on 07/23/2002 4:51:04 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: Jeff Gordon
How long before everyone who is listed in the Narc's database for having been perscribed Prozac or other SSRI looses their 2nd Ammendment Rights because they are "loonies."

Read this SSRI's aren't the only one. Kids are taking massive dosages of OTC cold medications to produce Serotonin Snydrome. Seems OTC cold medications can do it as well.

Here's something interesting on it.

No specific therapeutic approach to the treatment of serotonin syndrome has been fully evaluated in the literature. The most common treatment involves the use of the benzodiazepines. In severe cases, the antiserotonergic agents cyproheptadine, methysergide, and propranolol have been used.3,6,11 In all cases the suspected agent should be discontinued. Over-the-counter drugs containing ingredients known to increase serotonin levels or exacerbate the patient’s condition, such as dextromethorphan, pseudoephedrine or phenylpropanolamine, also should be discontinued.

57 posted on 07/23/2002 4:57:37 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: USA21
Do you have a copy of the Uniform Code of Military of 1953 ?
look at the changes in Uniform Code


Sounds omonious. - Are there changes we should fear?
58 posted on 07/23/2002 5:21:48 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"You do realize that the eventual definition of "mental illness" used for purposes of this statute will be if you ever saw a psychiatrist even once, don't you?"

And the Bob Newhart Show will count.
59 posted on 07/23/2002 5:42:39 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: Virginia-American
Does your reply mean that the blacks are supposed to get free guns?

/As you should know, the laws apply to everybody within the jurisdicitions.

60 posted on 07/23/2002 6:13:24 PM PDT by oldtimer
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