Kay Henson (spanking mom) back in WI jail. Freep the heck out of Wisconsin!

CP Prosecutions ^ | July 17-18, 2002 | Various

[goodieD]

Local government generally take a dim view of homeschoolers because they can't make money of the warm bodies of our children. We had a truant officer bothering us long after I'd filed appropiate papers with the district, and gotten an acknowlegement of receipt.

[CA Conservative]

...And I'd just bet taping a probation meeting without prior consent of the agent is a violation of the rules.

From reading the article, it doesn't appear that this was a "probation meeting". The officer was at the woman's house to facilitate entry by CPS. It cannot be illegal or "against the rules" to tape conversations occurring in your own home, with or without consent. No one who enters your home has any expectation of privacy from you.

It is interesting to see how the "rules" are interpreted, though. I had a friend who was having some problems with a CPS worker. She would talk to the worker on the phone, and when she read the report to the court, the conversations were never reported correctly, always slanted against her. So she taped some of the conversations to prove her point (I listened to the tape and read the case worker's report to the court - the case worker flat-out lied.) When she presented the evidence to the caseworker's supervisor, instead of disciplining the caseworker for filing a false report, they wanted to prosecute my friend for wiretapping.

As a further irony, CPS called me to interview me about the incident. When they got to court, they had a tape of the interview - made without my knowledge or consent. So they were going to try to convict my friend for taping them without consent - by using a tape they made without my consent! (The wiretapping charge was eventually dropped.)

[tickles]

It is a high burden of proof, but if they have tapes of the probation agent creating new probation requirements on the fly, they probably have a case.

I forgot to address this: the probation officer fills out a form each visit for the probationer. It carries the standard clauses--no alcohol, no drugs, blah blah blah--but it also has a large blank space in which the probation agent can write other specific conditions of probation and these can be modified, added to and deleted at each visit. Before the probationer can leave the office, the probationer has to sign the form. If the probationer refuses to sign, the probation officer puts the probationer in cuffs, calls the police department for transport and the probationer is put in jail. The first week in jail is at the probation officer's authority; the second week has to be authorized by the PO's supervisor. The third week in jail is authorized out of the corrections dept. in Madison. I'd have to look it up to verify, but the probation revocation has to be started in that third week, although it can be earlier. And I'd just bet taping a probation meeting without prior consent of the agent is a violation of the rules.
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If they do have a tape of the PO making up new rules on the fly, then there would be no paper signed that already had those 'rules' on them on the previous visit. I don't see anything about the person refusing to sign. but I could have missed it.

As a word of advice tho, if you have a paper to sign with a large blank space meant for them to write 'instructions' or such in , fill in the large blank with a big x or something rather then leave it blank so something cannot be added after you sign, another thing would be to state by your signature how many pages are in the document you signed, and get a copy. (been burned, but not in a criminal matter)

[Catspaw]

Kay is nursing her infant daughter, and each time she is incarated, county jail officials refuse to provide her with a breast pump to prevent breast engorgement, mastitis and infection.

I had to reread the press release, but this is not the first time she's been in jail in this matter.

In essence, the conditions of probation are whatever the PO says they are, whether they're on the fly or not. Don't comply, you go to jail.

As I said, that's why some of the more experienced jailbirds take jailtime rather than probation. PO's have enormous power over the probationer's life.

[Catspaw]

LOL! I'm not on probation. But some of our clients are. If the agent doesn't make a big X or draw a line through the empty space, they're instructed to do so themselves before the sign the rules.

That goes for ANY document with blank spaces.

[spokanite]

Why do I have this strange feeling that you don't have kids???

[cherrycapital]

I suspect breast pumps were invented before the child-snatching Gestapo was invented.

[gcruse]

 
I suspect breast pumps were invented
before the child-snatching Gestapo was invented.

I suspect children were disappeared
before the CPS was invented.

[Illbay]

Unfortunately a great many of us here on FR belong to that peculiar species of political afficianado known as "the agendized."

The M.O. on both the Left and Right is approximately the same: If something doesn't fit "the Template" then just cut around the parts that don't fit until it DOES.

And I have to point out that there may be some truth--a LOT of truth--to what these people allege. It's just that I make a practice of being skeptical about those things about which I don't have firsthand knowledge.

[cherrycapital]

I suspect you are not familiar with Calabretta v. Floyd, which was decided in the 9th Federal Circuit in 1999. WI is not in the 9th Circuit, so their CPS employees me still be acting AS IF they have blanket immunity, but they are skating on thin ice because other Circuits can, and likely will, look to Calabretta as a precedent.

[cherrycapital]

I suspect you are not familiar with Calabretta v. Floyd, which was decided in the 9th Federal Circuit in 1999. WI is not in the 9th Circuit, so their CPS employees may still be acting AS IF they have blanket immunity, but they are skating on thin ice because other Circuits can, and likely will, look to Calabretta as a precedent.

[cherrycapital]

Yes, but back then child-snatchers were called criminals. Now they're called civil servants.

[Catspaw]

It's still limited to that crazy, zany 9th circuit. The courts in our circuit may look to it, but it doesn't yet control the 7th.

[Catspaw]

I suspect breast pumps were invented before the child-snatching Gestapo was invented.

So were fingers.

I'd suggest your friend use them before she gets mastitis.

[Dengar01]

Most likely I've gone through there heading north regardless the entire case against this women is incredibly stupid.

[willyone]

You sound like a little JBT. As for you not warning them did you personally advise them of your concerns? If not then you certainly have not warned them of anything. Just shot your mouth off like a true key board commando. Seig Heil Herr Catspaw. You like the sound of that don't you.

[DJ MacWoW]

Oh, and if she's truly desparate about pumping her breasts, she doesn't need a breast pump. It can be done manually, just like handstripping a cow.

OWWWWWW If the milk is already hardening, hand expression isn't possible. It depends on how bad it's gotten. After 6 to 8 hours of not nursing, it's VERY painful.

[DJ MacWoW]

Let me get this straight: Her 2 1/2 year old kid was wnadering around out on the sidwalk and the mother had no idea? What's wrong with her?

My guess is nothing. The article said: "Multiple witnesses observed a police officer take the child off of the sidewalk before bringing her to Kay's house and informing her that he had rescued the child from the street."
CPS doesn't have to tell the truth about anything. They are the new liberal American Gestapo.

[SpinyNorman]

Makes you wonder how humanity survived before breast pumps were invented.

They probably weren't needed until social workers started throwing people in jail for spanking a child!