Kay Henson (spanking mom) back in WI jail. Freep the heck out of Wisconsin!

CP Prosecutions ^ | July 17-18, 2002 | Various

[Illbay]

Yeah, that's my point. I'd rather get my news from the police or DA press releases. Those are people who are actually ACCOUNTABLE for what they say, no matter what the anti-government-at-any-level-and-at-all-costs crowd might allege.

[Illbay]

You are so clever!

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

Any law which precludes a parent from raising their child IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.You have absolutely NO RIGHT to have such laws!

[Catspaw]

The naysayers in this thread have NO experience with how evil smalltown CPS and probation works.

BWAHAHAHA! That's right, tell cherrycapital to encourage her friends to take a one-way trip to prison & lose their kids in the process.

I'm not a naysayer. I posted an accurate picture of Wisconsin's criminal justice system, its probation department and CPS, and gee whiz, I sure didn't get that knowledge and experience out of a book. Take a guess: how do you think I obtained that knowledge?

BTW, how much do you think my aunt and uncle had to pay for the three kids they adopted? And I suppose they could special order them, too.

[CA Conservative]

...2) that probation agents, as well as CPS workers have immunity from suit and...

I'm not sure what the law is in Wisconsin, but here in CA such agents have only good-faith immunity, not blanket immunity from suit. While it is difficult to sue CPS or probations agents, if you can prove that the actions taken are malicious, or so far out of normal practice that the agent could have no good faith reason for taking the action, then they can be sued like anyone else. It is a high burden of proof, but if they have tapes of the probation agent creating new probation requirements on the fly, they probably have a case.

[mikhailovich]

While we take each other to task on this thread, let us not forget about this poor lady's aching and swollen bosom. If she's good enough aim, perhaps she can shoot the keys off the wall with a precisely directed beam of milk as Barn and Ang nap.

[GunToting Arizonian]

I can relate to this poor mom. My parents were trying to adopt two Romanian kids from out of state. We got them from a family that decided to put them up for adoption.
Long story ,it has to do with Romanian adoption policies.
My parents had a one year temp guardianship 8 months out we had put the litle girl in public school for the last couple months ( big mistake) to ease the burden of homeschooling the 13 year old brother . All was well
until CPS( Durango , Co) and should up in three unmarked
police vehicles and gave me and the romanian boy a whole bunch of trash with typical call of concern. the current state of the issue. We moved to the grand state of arizona they seized the kids. They degraded me and made a big deal about my gun hobbies and used it as an excuse to do a search of my house. One tip to avoid this is get a cheap fence arround your property and put a gate with a padlock.
It can be a cheap gate my parents used two cattle panels and an old combo lock. Cps by law can't cut fences unless
by a court order. CPs works by using civil court. they normally lose from criminal so they have these special civil courts that are biased because cps people sit on the board that makes the decisions. I'm sorry about the mess I have been harrased , threaten and degraded and lied by the cps in the county court.My parents are the ones that they are after but the degraded me to attempt to equalify me as a witness. I must commend this mom for sending her kids out of state. Very wise ,cps is limtied by state line.
My mess will be over ,but its costing my parents big bucks for lawyers fees and so on. But I think this mom's cps crap
will be over soon. Cps only can control kids , its their agenda.

[amused]

Please note that this is what this PRESS RELEASE says is the charge.

One problem that CPS orgs have is that they are forbidden by law from releasing details of these kinds of cases unless the parent is facing a felony arrest.

That leaves the whiney types and the silly agendized groups that support them to make all kinds of wild claims.

Again, don't know what the truth is here, but you can bet you're not going to find it in a press release of this type.

This is an excellent point. It amazes me how swiftly and skillfully a liberal biased document can be shredded yet a press release from an implied conservative source gets a pass. Biases certainly shape our opinion but to cling to them blindly in the face of facts (which we don't have here yet) makes us no better than liberals. Well a little better. ;-)

[concerned about politics]

They get a fee for every child they adopt out, that's why they need to remove custody and adopt as soon as they can.

Adoption freebies from the Clinton anti-family era. It's $4,000.00 per child they recieve each time a child is legally ( depending on the meaning of the word "is") adopted.
These people are getting money and power hungry. Clinton granted them immence power , and a lucrative reward to back it up.
Just as PETA tries to tell you how to eat, Smoking Nazis tell you whats best for you, Enviro-Wacos tell you if you can use land, and this group tells you how they feel you should raise your kids.

[GunToting Arizonian]

Sorry it was my first post. And I can get quite angry when I hear cps involved. Let me sum this mom's cps trouble.

SCREW CPS , PO EILEEN , AND MS. HAFFEY

GO KAY HENSON

[GunToting Arizonian]

CPS is only concerned about the children (money)
In colorado they can get grants of $10,000+ for their
paychecks , umh I mean their office. However this is also a double edge sword. Because some of the money comes from the parents that lost the kids. My situation ,the guy that my parents were going to adopt the two romanian kids from sued the heck out of them over the breach of policy. Instead of getting him to pay for all the foster care
counseling and so on it has to come from CPS's budget. And they are shorted funding due to the state economy .
hehehe

[Catspaw]

Nope, it's pretty much blanket immunity for CPS workers in Wisconsin. I'll have to dig out the case when I get back to work on Monday (it was decided at least 10 years ago, if I remember correctly), but the case I remember gives the department and the workers a total pass, or very close to it. Ditto for P & P workers.

[George from New England]

these people are actually allowed to "embellish" files in order to remove the child from the home

I totally agree with you. Embellishment taken to enormous exageration. State of CT is that way too. I think it's only that I've had frequent contact with my state senator on other issues that this didn't blow up on our face. The social worker didn't like not being able to find the kids at school. The had to come to the house, we're homeschoolers, they don't like that.

[Catspaw]

It is a high burden of proof, but if they have tapes of the probation agent creating new probation requirements on the fly, they probably have a case.

I forgot to address this: the probation officer fills out a form each visit for the probationer. It carries the standard clauses--no alcohol, no drugs, blah blah blah--but it also has a large blank space in which the probation agent can write other specific conditions of probation and these can be modified, added to and deleted at each visit. Before the probationer can leave the office, the probationer has to sign the form. If the probationer refuses to sign, the probation officer puts the probationer in cuffs, calls the police department for transport and the probationer is put in jail. The first week in jail is at the probation officer's authority; the second week has to be authorized by the PO's supervisor. The third week in jail is authorized out of the corrections dept. in Madison. I'd have to look it up to verify, but the probation revocation has to be started in that third week, although it can be earlier. And I'd just bet taping a probation meeting without prior consent of the agent is a violation of the rules.

The PO will go to the jail with the probation form within the first 24-48 hours to see if the probationer will sign it. They'll usually come back once or twice, usually with another agent or the agent's supervisor. If the PO refuses, they ask if the probationer wants to voluntarily revoke his or her parole. If it's no, then they go ahead with the revocation. Then they have to wait for the administrative judge to come to that county for the hearing. That can be 2-4 weeks later, sometimes longer.

Given the many collect calls the law office has gotten from probationers cooling his or her heels in jail (and the screaming phone calls from the girlfriends, boyfriends, husbands, wives, mothers--but rarely fathers), it takes repeated explanations that when someone's in on a probation hold, there is no bail hearing because there is no bail for a probation hold.

[concerned about politics]

Rather than forcing her to prove herself innocent, the law should force those who are accusing her to come up with physical proof.
That's how America used to be. Innocent until PROVEN GUILTY.
If someone accused, they had to prove it beyond a doubt. Today, if it's liberal or state power , the victim is automatically guilty until they can find a way to prove themselves innocent.

[gcruse]

each time she is incarated, county jail
officials refuse to provide her with a breast pump

Makes you wonder how humanity survived
before breast pumps were invented.

[Poohbah]

Rather than forcing her to prove herself innocent, the law should force those who are accusing her to come up with physical proof.

OK, serious question here: while the law is building the case to support a child abuse indictment, the child dies from said abuse.

At that point, the only thing we can do is exact societal retribution against the perpetrator, because it's too late to help the kid.

How do you propose to resolve this conundrum? I don't think you can merely tell minor children, "Sorry, kiddies, but if you have the misfortune to have a nutball for a parent, you're hosed." The goal here is to protect children. And my experience with CPS cases is that the parent always thinks he or she is a good parent--even when the "chastisement" applied consisted of liberally applying a Louisville Slugger to the kid.

[Catspaw]

See my post #17.

[concerned about politics]

OK, serious question here: while the law is building the case to support a child abuse indictment, the child dies from said abuse.

ELF is planning destruction on civilation. They haven't been arrested. They haven't broken the law yet. Until they do, and many may die when they do, the FBI has no case.

Equal protection under the law

[tickles]

Ahh the horror!!!!!!!!! (don't tell but I always did that to, hehe)

For pete's sake, do people really follow their kids around and never let them out of their sight 24/7? Wonder how they get time to use the bathroom. =)