GUTSY CABIN CREW PHONED IN CLUES FROM DOOMED 9/11 JET

New York Post ^ | 7/19/02 | BRAD HUNTER

[kattracks]

July 19, 2002 -- Two flight attendants on the doomed American Airlines plane that slammed into the World Trade Center Sept. 11 relayed vital details that helped the FBI identify the terrorists responsible.

For the first time, the courageous and crucial roles played by flight attendants Amy Sweeney and Betty Ong have emerged, ABC's "Prime Time" reported last night.

[brat]

Now THATS a hero! Thank God for people like her...they make you feel like maybe theres hope for America.

[smorgle]

Very moving post.

But there are things I don't get. How could information on the hijackers be pulled when they weren't on the passenger lists? How did identifying the terrorists - however that was done - help when they had faked visas and IDs. I have no doubt about the heroism and selflessness of crew members on any of the hijacked planes, but some of the official story doesn't make sense.

[StopDemocratsDotCom]

Bastards....

[StopDemocratsDotCom]

Sorry I was really moved by the post, thinking back on 9-11. The word is obviously not for the flight attendants but for the pigs that carried it out. Never Forget.

[Redcloak]

It's quite simple. They were on the passenger lists and they didn't have fake papers. They were here under their real names; the same real names that appear on the passenger lists.

[smorgle]

CNN and ABC reported on suspected hijackers who turned out to be still alive--about five of them, I think. The name of at least one hijacker was borrowed from a deceased person. None of the passenger and crew lists for the four planes had any of the names on the FBI list of suspected hijackers. This was reported in the news, too, though I noticed it at the time and thought it was strange.

[Prodigal Son]

You got a link to that info? As far as I had ever heard they were on the passenger list. I know those lunatics on DU and other boards have been spreading a bunch of rumors about it, but I never saw anything that said they weren't on the passenger list.

[smorgle]

It's at a geocities cite that's down right now - should be up later on here. But I know I searched the lists posted on the Net for the names and never saw them.

Here's part of a BBC report that says the names were on a list for Flight 11 but also says they didn't match to the ones the flight attendant reported.

Ms Sweeney's account of the hijacking provides unique evidence of what took place but it also appears to conflict with previous information.

The FBI has named five hijackers on board Flight 11, whereas Ms Sweeney spotted only four.

Also, the seat numbers she gave were different from those registered in the hijackers' names.

[Prodigal Son]

Also, the seat numbers she gave were different from those registered in the hijackers' names.

So were the hijackers registered on the flight list or not? Somebody obviously hijacked the plane and from this article it states that the hijackers were registered on the flight. Ms Sweeney definitely witnessed a hijacking in process. It is not important if she got their seat numbers wrong. I mean are we talking one row wrong? Or did she have them seated in a totally different part of the plane? I'm also not going to hold it against her that she miscounted or didn't see one of the hijackers. People are cutting throats on the plane- it was probably a little bit intense, don't you think?

At any rate, where are you going with this?

[Prodigal Son]

Also, Geocities isn't an official source of info. Everything there is second hand (at best) in nature.

[Check6]

Bastards....

Correct. My response to the panicky dilemma some people seem to experience when they consider those events is simple. Kill them. Kill them singly. Kill them in groups. These scum have withdrawn from the human race and are no more than rabid dogs, deserving only of the treatment rabid dogs receive: death. Quick, dispassionate, and certain. When this deadly scum realizes that we will simply kill them, singly or in groups, they will change their tack.

[Prodigal Son]

Also, I would point out that the BBC report you gave me is part of a compilation they have on the subject. There is a link on that page that takes you to "The investigation and the evidence". This is a highly critical article- they basically say they don't believe the evidence. But note, nowhere do they question that Mohammed Atta wasn't on that plane. The closest they get to what you have said is this passage:

On 14 September, the FBI released the names of the 19 hijackers it believes carried out the attacks. There is some doubt about four of the people named as some of the hijackers may have been travelling on false documents.

So their is doubt about four of them and only some of the hijackers may have been travelling on false documents. Also, didn't Atta attend the flight school in his name? Didn't he return money from a Florida bank to a Middle Eastern bank days before the incident? We will never know all the details and I'll grant you, there might be a name or even two on that list who maybe didn't hijack the plane- they might have got thrown in out of uncertainty because they were Arabs but let's just stop for a moment and consider. If the group of passengers the FBI says didn't hijack the planes- who did? Just spontaneous business suits on four different flights? And with two of those spontaneous events the deranged Wall St types just coincidently fly the planes into the same target? Come on.

[ml/nj]

When this deadly scum realizes that we will simply kill them, singly or in groups, they will change their tack.

My sentiments, exactly.

ML/NJ

[cynicom]

The "Hate America" crowd will have nothing to say.

[Pontiac]

When this deadly scum realizes that we will simply kill them, singly or in groups, they will change their tack.

I don’t believe that people who willingly (joyfully?) fly planes in buildings, who believe that dying in the name of their god will be dissuaded from their chosen actions by the threat of death at the hands of their sworn foes.

However there is reason to believe that the Soviet Union had a proven strategy. They would seek out and kill the families of terrorist.

I personally would not wish to put myself in the same category as the Soviet Union, but I would just put this out for discussion.

[hellinahandcart]

It's at a geocities cite that's down right now - should be up later on here.

I have to wonder about anyone who takes Joe Vialls' site seriously. If he were really geting $250 per hour as a PI, he could afford better than geocities, which shuts down like a frightened turtle if more than half a dozen people try to view the site.

Joe also believes that the inverted letter V on the tanks in Desert Storm will automatically morph into a Star of David in the viewer's subconscious, and that's why we really won in Desert Storm. Subliminal messages that we were controlled by Jews. Nuff said.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

thanks, bookmarked. might want to index.

[hellinahandcart]

If the group of passengers the FBI says didn't hijack the planes- who did? Just spontaneous business suits on four different flights? And with two of those spontaneous events the deranged Wall St types just coincidently fly the planes into the same target? Come on.

If that site smorgle linked in #9 ever becomes available again (keep trying, eventually geocities will let you have a peep), you'll have your answer. Naturally it was the Mossad (in our own government, since they've taken it over), and it was done by remote control. There were no hijackers.

I wish I was kidding :D

[VRWC_minion]

Willing to bet you doubt we walked on moon too.