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90 Billion Euros wiped off market value in a few minutes!
Reuters ^

Posted on 07/19/2002 12:53:56 AM PDT by BlackJack

LONDON (Reuters) - Europe's biggest companies had 90 billion euros wiped off their market value at the open on Friday after U.S. shares slumped to fresh five-year lows in late trade on Thursday and as Ericsson posted gloomy earnings.

The world's biggest maker of mobile networks reported a worse-than-expected second quarter loss of 3.5 billion Swedish crowns, its seventh straight loss, and announced a long-awaited $3.25 billion rights issue.

That hit Ericsson shares hard in unofficial trading and knocked fellow telecom equipment makers Alcatel and Nokia down between 5.1 percent and 6.7 percent.

Epcos AG added to the tech gloom after the German electronic components maker unexpectedly announced a loss for the third quarter and said it saw no improvement in the fourth quarter, pushing its shares down by 13 percent.

"It's worrying that companies are not managing to transfer the seemingly good macroeconomic data into good profit growth, which indicates some sort of structural problem," said Sharon Coombs, European strategist for HSBC.

That echoed talk earlier in the year of a 'profitless recovery', although a weak Philadelphia Fed survey after most European markets closed on Thursday suggested the U.S. economy was flying into fresh turbulence anyway.


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To: andy_card
I seem to spend a lot of time on FR preaching to the choir. LOL. I agree, Sweded is no 3rd World country.
41 posted on 07/19/2002 10:44:24 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Paleo Conservative
Uh, 1. Republicans were in on the Immigration Act of 1965.
I believe Ted was a junior senator or house member; wasn't his baby. He was however, instrumental in passing the Special Amnesty for Irishmen ONLY in the early 90's or late 80's with the help of the Republicans who DID NOT try not stop the measure.


2. Immigrants were let in on skills up until the 80's - doctors, engineers etc.. Professionals from Western Europe had no desire to migrate to the US.
Eastern Europeans weren't allowed by their countries to leave.

Reagan opened up the immigration laws quite a bit in th 80's to allow people (without professional skills but business acumen) who wanted to work loooong hours and invest to come here and open stores, gas stations and other businesses. Very few Western Europeans did so.

3. Today, Eastern Europeans want to migrate here; and they do so. The number of people applying to immigrate to the US from Western Europe is virtually non-existent.


42 posted on 07/19/2002 10:49:21 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: The Raven
"Somehow the Democrats will use this as ammo against the Republicans (you read it here first!!!)."

Republicans and in particular the Prez better wise up then. You cannot set a "new tone" in Washington during a bear market.

If you try, you will lose your shirt.

43 posted on 07/19/2002 11:23:54 AM PDT by Tauzero
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To: RadioAstronomer
bump for later read
44 posted on 07/19/2002 11:34:44 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: TonyRo76
It's deceiving to say European standard of living are low. I give you some interesting data from the CIA world factbook and other sources, in order to add something concrete to build the discussion on.

Gdp
Health Life

Olympics

Nobels

Waiting for your comments!


45 posted on 07/19/2002 12:19:09 PM PDT by Jordi
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To: Tolik
I don't know if Europeans got more vacation than Americans, but Germans have more days off than Dutch people. Dutch people are also more 'stessed' than in just about every country. Currently about a million people are in the WAO (unemployment law for people unable to work because of injuries or stress) and many of them have vague stress related problems. I Germany this is far less.

But there is also some problems with European quality. Believe me, Italians do not produce quality cars (exept for the insane expensive ones). And German beer will give you no hangovers because they are enforced to produce very clean beer, unlike Dutch beer. And Belgians only produce good chocolate and gold/jewels, but almost nothing else anyone wants.

Lately there are also much food-related schandalsall over Europe.

But there are also many differences in effiency. Dutch farmers are much more efficient than French farmers.

I am no expert on this, but I could look up answers to more specific questions.

46 posted on 07/19/2002 12:44:57 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
Excuse me if i bore you. Could you list me some high quality competitive American manufacturing products?

Perhaps i lack in imagination, but it's hard to find some (i mean products of American brands and made in the US of A.)

47 posted on 07/19/2002 1:02:54 PM PDT by Jordi
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To: Jordi
You are asking a European who lives in Europe, so I am maybe not the right person to answer that, but I will have a try.

American brands and made in the US of A:

SOG Speciality Knives - nothing comes close over here in Europe.
Pick-up trucks like the Dodge Ram - nothing European even comes close.
Military equipment - let's face it, Europe has no match for the JSF or AH-64.
Mackie audio mixing consoles are very compative compared to Japanese or European stuff.
Bellari audio studio equipment is top of the range and cheaper then the European competetion. It's Stereo Sonic Exciter sounds much better than the German SPL Vitalizer and costing less.
Snap-on Tools or Maglites

48 posted on 07/19/2002 2:11:28 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: Stultis
great post
49 posted on 07/19/2002 4:11:57 PM PDT by bert
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To: Jordi
Macdermid Graphic Arts....photolithographic printing plates

AFG industries Flat Glass products

Eastman chemical co...many chemicals and plastics

Kintronics Inc......AM radio antenna tuning equipment General Electric Co. ....wide variety of electrical materials

NN Ball and Roller....Ball Bearings

Shelby Williams Co......Instirutional furniture Bristol Compressors.......refrigeration Compressors

Columbus Mckinnon Corp.......chain hoists and overhead crane dollies

All these are American manufacturers producing very high quality products exported all over the world. These are just a few. There are thousands of American companies producing very high quality and technically superior products in damand alll over the world.

50 posted on 07/19/2002 4:34:32 PM PDT by bert
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To: andy_card
"I'll give you a dozen oxen, three hundred chickens, and a half acre of tilled chickpea-growing bottomland for a 2002 model BMW Z8, with a five liter, 394hp V8 engine."

Tell you what. I don't have a BMW, but what about a lawnmower? It is in really good shape, and it really does cut that grass.

51 posted on 07/19/2002 5:40:50 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: The KG9 Kid
Didn't have to. The differences in value pre and post decline may have been the total regardless of the amount of new money bills in circulation.
52 posted on 07/19/2002 5:43:44 PM PDT by RWG
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To: Yakboy
So she gets a Swede?

That just doesn't seem right......
53 posted on 07/19/2002 5:47:30 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: Paleo Conservative
>US immigration quotas favor the Third World applicants over Europeans.

No doubt about that. But still the Europeans come, when they can.

54 posted on 07/19/2002 5:58:21 PM PDT by LostTribe
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To: BlackJack
Uh I think the US stock market lost about 400 billion dollars today.
55 posted on 07/19/2002 7:00:09 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Jordi
Especially at that paragon of US importers of all things non-American: Wal-Mart, the robber baron of the world and chief supporter of the Chicom government and the People's Army sweat shops.
56 posted on 07/19/2002 10:07:56 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: knighthawk
And computers! The Euros have nothing like ours!
57 posted on 07/19/2002 10:09:28 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: bert
All these are American manufacturers producing very high quality products exported all over the world. These are just a few. There are thousands of American companies producing very high quality and technically superior products in damand alll over the world.

America is also a world leader in the production of steel drums (which apparently requires more technical savvy and equipment than you would think). Of course I should probably put that in past tense. Dubya's steel tariffs will probably kill this industry, as they don't have enough lobbyists in D.C. to get an exemption.

Socialism may be killing Europe, but protectionism, gov't subsidies, and gov't supported competition-killing corporate cronyism may be the death of us. And the tort lawyers will pick the bones.

58 posted on 07/19/2002 10:19:22 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: andy_card
Study discovers Swedes are less well-off than the poorest Americans
59 posted on 07/19/2002 11:33:46 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: Paulus Invictus
And computers! The Euros have nothing like ours!

Nice to know...the only American brand in my last high-end PC is the AMD processor (i think it's made in Taiwan,anyway)

60 posted on 07/20/2002 1:43:36 AM PDT by Jordi
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