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90 Billion Euros wiped off market value in a few minutes!
Reuters ^

Posted on 07/19/2002 12:53:56 AM PDT by BlackJack

LONDON (Reuters) - Europe's biggest companies had 90 billion euros wiped off their market value at the open on Friday after U.S. shares slumped to fresh five-year lows in late trade on Thursday and as Ericsson posted gloomy earnings.

The world's biggest maker of mobile networks reported a worse-than-expected second quarter loss of 3.5 billion Swedish crowns, its seventh straight loss, and announced a long-awaited $3.25 billion rights issue.

That hit Ericsson shares hard in unofficial trading and knocked fellow telecom equipment makers Alcatel and Nokia down between 5.1 percent and 6.7 percent.

Epcos AG added to the tech gloom after the German electronic components maker unexpectedly announced a loss for the third quarter and said it saw no improvement in the fourth quarter, pushing its shares down by 13 percent.

"It's worrying that companies are not managing to transfer the seemingly good macroeconomic data into good profit growth, which indicates some sort of structural problem," said Sharon Coombs, European strategist for HSBC.

That echoed talk earlier in the year of a 'profitless recovery', although a weak Philadelphia Fed survey after most European markets closed on Thursday suggested the U.S. economy was flying into fresh turbulence anyway.


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To: Yakboy
BTW, we were in Vegas some time ago and it was interesting that there were as many central and east EUROPEANS working the waitress cleaning jobs as there were Hispanics!
22 posted on 07/19/2002 5:38:39 AM PDT by LS
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To: Yakboy
My buddy just brough over a Swedish Au Pair to live here over the summer. She's working about as cheap as a good Latina Nanny, and we're in South Florida. I would have simply recommended the Latina nanny personally, but his wife gets really jealous and didn't want hubby to run off with the nanny.

I'm sure these would make his wife jealous


23 posted on 07/19/2002 5:39:01 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
Drool...I mean, I retract my statement. Even money he takes off with the Swede! LOL!
24 posted on 07/19/2002 5:43:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob
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To: Maceman
  In defense of the Swedes, let me first say that simple comparisons of income can be deceiving. While I have never been to Sweden (even though I have relatives there), I would think that even the poorest sections of Stockholm and other Swedish cities are more livable and attractive than what one finds in many U.S. cities. Even with the high taxes, I think I would rather live in downtown Stockholm than in downtown Detroit or Newark.

However, the study alerts us to something that is much more important, and that is that the European welfare states are not making their citizens wealthier. Over time, the cracks in these relatively wealthy nations are growing larger, and if the disease is not arrested, much of Europe will tumble off into real poverty in the not-so-distant future. 

And isn't that the crux of the matter? Sweden's politics stink, and they're going to get screwed by their politicians if they don't shape up. But as I said before, Sweden, no matter how you spin it, is not a third world country. And if you bothered to go there, you'd immediatly know what I'm talking about.

My biggest problem with the country is that, because of taxes, its ridiculously expensive even to visit. One of these days I'm going to write a student budget travel guide, entitled "Stockholm on $10,000 a day."

25 posted on 07/19/2002 6:07:16 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: DoughtyOne
I think when they work, they work OK. I had never have any problem with quality of anything European. German cars and other machinery, French and Italian clothing, food products, etc. All are quite good. ....BUT... They have more overhead in the more generous state holidays, longer vacations, medical leave, mandatory shorter work week, even more regulations for businesses (which is more painful to small businesses then larger ones). Higher taxes. So, no miracles and no free lunch. You've got to pay for all this luxury somehow...
26 posted on 07/19/2002 6:07:49 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: knighthawk
Pinging to learn your insider opinion on European work ethics. Thank you in advance
27 posted on 07/19/2002 6:11:24 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: patriciaruth
Who are you trying to kid? The US has become as socialist as Europe.
28 posted on 07/19/2002 7:27:39 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: andy_card
I spent my honeymoon in Scandanavia. Yeah Stockholm is extremely expensive if you stay in hotels. The Hostels there are great however and are cheap. Stockholm may be expensive but it is worth it in my opinion.

One thing we did for which I am gratefull is to take a ferry to Helsinki. I would have loved to stay in Finland for longer. Copenhagen was far more expensive than Stockholm. A Best Western was 300 bucks a night. Amsterdam was the cheapest place we visited. Meals were reasonable and you could find some tremendous bargains as far as lodging goes. And as much as people like to deride Amsterdam, it felt safe even at 2:00 AM. The Ann Frank House is a must see.

29 posted on 07/19/2002 7:34:50 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: andy_card
>Their politics have been screwed up, but their standard of living is still very comperable to most first world nations. Go there, if you don't believe me.

Been there. Done that. Forget it. It is a Socialist fantasy. Europeans (including Swedes) don't move to America because Sweden is better.

30 posted on 07/19/2002 7:36:14 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: Demidog
>Stockholm may be expensive

Last time I was there it cost $100 to fill up the rental Volvo. (20 gal at $US5)

31 posted on 07/19/2002 7:38:04 AM PDT by LostTribe
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To: The KG9 Kid
"I don't think the EU has even had a chance to print 90 billion Euros yet."

It is all a paperwork exercise, anyway. They don't really have this much money. They just move it around from column to column. It is about time to begin the barter system again.

32 posted on 07/19/2002 7:44:16 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Tolik
I am very attached to a sewing machine mfged in Switz--but in the past few years, the upgraded models have become so absurdly expensive that I am resigned to keeping my older machine for the duration...
33 posted on 07/19/2002 7:50:00 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: BlackJack
I'm not a proponent of the Euro, but I think it means 910 to exponents of the Euro.
34 posted on 07/19/2002 7:50:35 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Don Myers
It is about time to begin the barter system again.

Great. I'll give you a dozen oxen, three hundred chickens, and a half acre of tilled chickpea-growing bottomland for a 2002 model BMW Z8, with a five liter, 394hp V8 engine.

35 posted on 07/19/2002 8:21:29 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: BlackJack
companies are not managing to transfer the seemingly good macroeconomic data into good profit growth, which indicates some sort of structural problem

What could these structural problems be? 30 hour work weeks? 4-6 weeks paid vacation? High personal, corporate and VAT taxes? The hoops and hurdles required to jump in order to fire employees?

36 posted on 07/19/2002 9:57:48 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: andy_card
European standards of living are good. But it's due to incredible capital investment and management by the government, not private enterprise. This means high taxes on the people and low efficiency and accountability. Not a good combination for future growth. The government wants to keep these people employed even when they are no longer needed.
37 posted on 07/19/2002 10:00:47 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
This means high taxes on the people and low efficiency and accountability. Not a good combination for future growth.

Preaching to the choir my friend. What I took issue with was the absurd statement that Sweden (or any other country in Central or Western Europe, for that matter) is a third-world country. By any objective standard, that's pure horse pucky. Infested w/leftists. Yes. Third world. No.

38 posted on 07/19/2002 10:07:20 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: Paleo Conservative
Nothing like suddenly coming across surprise Swedish bikini babes in the middle of a serious discussion of European socialism!

A little welcome perspective....when the world seems likes it's crashing around us, it's nice to be reminded that there will always be beautiful gals, cute babies, cuddly puppies....much needed today.

39 posted on 07/19/2002 10:12:56 AM PDT by Jhensy
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To: LostTribe
Europeans (including Swedes) don't move to America because Sweden is better.

Wrong, due to immigration reforms in the 1960's sponsored by Ted Kennedy, US immigration quotas favor the Third World applicants over Europeans.

40 posted on 07/19/2002 10:28:00 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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