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Beijing orders Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese to have abortions
Taipei Times ^ | 7-18-02 | Lin Miao-Jung

Posted on 07/17/2002 10:57:30 PM PDT by tallhappy

Beijing orders Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese to have abortions

HOLIDAY NIGHTMARE: Chinese birth-control personnel have forced at least six brides of Taiwan men to undergo pregnancy tests and ordered them to have abortions
By Lin Miao-Jung
STAFF REPORTER

Chinese brides of Taiwanese men who went to China to visit their families were ordered by Beijing to have abortions or to undergo surgery to have their fallopian tubes tied. They were also fined and threatened with punishment under China's one-child policy if they had more children, a Taiwan official said yesterday.

The Straits Exchange Foundation (SEF, ®ü°ò·|) yesterday distributed a news release to reporters saying that, since the beginning of last year, the foundation has received six complaints regarding such cases.

Patricia Lin (ªL²Q¶{), director of the SEF's Department of Legal Services, said yesterday the victims told the foundation that, if Chinese birth-control personnel found that a Chinese bride of a Taiwanese man already had one child, they would force her to undergo a pregnancy test and tell her to have an abortion if she is found to be pregnant.

According to Lin, Chinese birth-control personnel also told Chinese brides who already had given birth to two children to undergo surgery to have their fallopian tubes tied. The women were also fined and their children's identification cards were confiscated as punishment for violating China's family planning regulations.

In addition, even if such a bride was pregnant with her first child, the Chinese birth-control personnel would tell her to have an abortion because "they did not get permission from the government to give birth," which is required in China.

"The victims only described what the Chinese officials told them to do, but we don't know for a fact if anyone was truly forced to have an abortion because they keep it private," Lin said.

Lin said that China's birth-control personnel might not fully understand Taiwanese law, and viewed the Taiwan-based brides' babies as an added burden on an overpopulated China.

"Under current Taiwanese regulations, children from cross-strait marriages can be registered as permanent residents of Taiwan, so they won't be a burden to China," Lin said.

She added that China's actions have seriously abused the rights of those who are bound together in cross-strait marriages.

The SEF reminded these couples to prepare for similar treatment if they intend to visit China.

The foundation also sent a letter last week to its Chinese counterpart, the Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait (ARATS, ®ü¨ó·|), to ask it to protect the rights of Chinese brides.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: abortion; chicoms; china; chinastuff; forcedabortion; taiwan
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To: ArrogantBustard
Coerced abortion is infinitely more heinous than grilled kitty-kat. That thread went to several hundred posts. I bet this one doesn't break 50.

Yep. And you were right. You called it.

41 posted on 07/18/2002 8:35:31 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
I'm sick and tired of folks pointing a finger at China for what they do to their own when our government had made Legal Abortion a linchpin of BOTH domestic AND foreign population control policy since 1974.

No nation has done more -- including with the help of gabillions of dollars from the Gates and Turners and Buffets -- to spread worldwide the coercive "USaid" that are the "healthcare mechanisms" of abortion and birth control.

Simply because we enshrine in some lofty principle the mother-only "right" to seek abortions -- to the tune of over one million American lives aborted annually -- doesn't make for a substantive difference between our coercive and China's more forcible means of implementing population control strategies.

Quite frankly, I find the conditioning of folks to treat Evil as a Good the far more malevolent and despicable practice. At least the Chinese still must be forced to have abortions.

Over here we've taken to the Culture of Death like a duck to water ... to the point where the State is finally getting concerned: making noises now about how abortions really should be "reduced" and encouraging the Ideal Citizen (the homosexual) to marry and "procreate" courtesy of the Non-Person commodities market which makes ready-made and designer Potential Children available for those who can prove their Economic fitness for adding a dependent or two to their tax returns.

42 posted on 07/18/2002 8:44:11 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: tallhappy
There is will full ignorance and purposeful denial about the amount of power the communist regime wields and uses over the populace.

"Abortion is VITAL to the solution" ... A Key Point from Kissinger's NSSM-200 (1974)

43 posted on 07/18/2002 8:46:42 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: chemainus
HEGEMON: Confucianist on the Outside, Legalist on the Inside

A few of the reasons the Soviets were somewhat shortsighted in their nourishment of Chinese communists. Poor Russia straddles the East and the West and so naturally has been in the catbird seat of playing both ends against the middle.

Having rotted the west from the inside-out, however, with gramscian marxists and their drug and terror offensives ... they've drastically reduced their chances to put up a decent "coalition" defense once China's ready to clean their clock.

44 posted on 07/18/2002 8:51:25 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: tallhappy
Lin said that China's birth-control personnel might not fully understand Taiwanese law, and viewed the Taiwan-based brides' babies as an added burden on an overpopulated China.

This line made me livid, as it apparently did to most of you who read it. Occasionally I think that we need to learn to grudgingly get along with China, since they are the up-and-coming power in Asia, whether we like it or not. Then I read something like this and rid myself of that foolish notion. They are barbarians. I wish more Americans would join me in refusing to buy Chinese goods.

45 posted on 07/18/2002 8:53:43 AM PDT by arm958
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To: fporretto
Can't we take them out now, please?

I honestly feel that in 20 years we will be howling in anguish over failing to do precisely what you are asking.

46 posted on 07/18/2002 8:58:38 AM PDT by arm958
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To: Askel5
At least the Chinese still must be forced to have abortions.

Unless they know that the child will be female. Oh hell, who needs prior knowledge; ultrasounds are probably rare in China. They can always kill their infant daughters, and they frequently do.

47 posted on 07/18/2002 9:02:18 AM PDT by arm958
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To: JMJ333
And some silly folks in the US want Bush to release the funds for world population control...I say NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
48 posted on 07/18/2002 9:22:11 AM PDT by Mfkmmof4
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To: ArrogantBustard
Coerced abortion is infinitely more heinous than grilled kitty-kat. That thread went to several hundred posts. I bet this one doesn't break 50.

I'll be happy to bump this one back up then.

We should assassinate or just nuke the PRC government. Nothing against the people; their government is just a hand of Satan it seems.

49 posted on 07/18/2002 9:25:49 AM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: tallhappy
"Beijing orders Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese to have abortions"

As a rebutal to Beijing...

Chinese women who are married to Taiwanese men order Beijing to SHUT THE HELL UP !! & MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!!

Headline I would like to see...
50 posted on 07/18/2002 10:09:08 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: MD_Willington_1976; Centurion2000; tallhappy; antidisestablishment
Well hey! This'll be post #51. I've seen a few calls to nuke Beijing, but other than that ... nada. And from all the folks who want to torture the kitty-griller to death, I've seen ... nada. Sad, really. One death is a tragedy, a thousand deaths is a statistic? Are our souls so hardened by the thousand abortions committed daily in "free" America, that we don't bat an eyelash at coerced abortion in China? What gives?

AB

51 posted on 07/18/2002 10:18:21 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard
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To: ArrogantBustard
Turns out you don't need hundreds of posts when there's little or no argument about something that is overtly evil.

The Chinese mainland continues to practice infanticide, murder, racism, blatant violations of basic human rights, and so much more on a daily basis. That their own people accept this in droves is to their severe detriment. That the rest of the world - and especially the United States - allow this to go virtually unchallenged is likewise despicable.

52 posted on 07/18/2002 10:37:14 AM PDT by alancarp
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To: arm958
They can always kill their infant daughters, and they frequently do.

Hullo ...

It's doubtful China's trade in children would be so brisk over here unless Chinese mothers made a habit of leaving their foundling daughters not buried in dumpsters but on the steps of orphanages and in plain sight where they might have some chance at life and maybe end up in America with some hope of freedom.

53 posted on 07/18/2002 10:55:11 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: tallhappy
Another victory for the democrats.
54 posted on 07/18/2002 11:34:45 AM PDT by antienvironmentalist
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To: tallhappy
The barbarism and misanthropy of the Chinese government cannot be overstated.

MFN, NTR equals slavery-by-proxy.

If principle can be overridden by the summation of 'positive factors' grounded in wishful thinking and warm intent, then there is no limit to the contracts we may engage with the devil himself.

"Cowardice doth make a concious for us all" is an illustration of the reality at work here, except this time:

The bottom line conjures an army of equivocation and an ocean of convenient altruism.

Satan is always hiring, we just quibble on the price, insist on a distancing mechanism and demand a good PR portrayal.

55 posted on 07/18/2002 11:49:15 AM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: ArrogantBustard
Are our souls so hardened by the thousand abortions committed daily in "free" America, that we don't bat an eyelash at coerced abortion in China? What gives?

#55

56 posted on 07/18/2002 11:50:44 AM PDT by mindprism.com
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To: Askel5
No nation has done more -- including with the help of gabillions of dollars from the Gates and Turners and Buffets -- to spread worldwide the coercive "USaid" that are the "healthcare mechanisms" of abortion and birth control

Bill Gates's foundation should not be included on this list. It is my understanding his foundation specifically excludes abortion from its health care initiatives.

57 posted on 07/18/2002 12:50:49 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Very hard to believe from an ardent supporter of Planned Parenthood.

Actually, I've been through this before with someone and will do my best to dig up the facts I used to disabuse them of that notion.

For starters, they gave 8 billion to Family Care International:

Family Care International is an international non-profit organization dedicated to improving women's sexual and reproductive health in developing countries, with a special emphasis on making pregnancy and childbirth safer. FCI addresses a range of urgent health issues, including maternal health, adolescent sexual and reproductive health, family planning, unsafe abortion and violence against women. FCI works with governments, non-governmental organizations, and international agencies in more than 12 countries in Africa, Latin America and Asia. For more information, visit Family care international on the web.

As this is the only return for search "abortion" on the entire site, I've yet to find mention of their policy on abortion. Still looking.

58 posted on 07/18/2002 1:25:19 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: tallhappy
I think that China's one-child philosophy will be responsible, more than anything else, for their eventual downfall.
59 posted on 07/18/2002 1:31:32 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: TwilightDog
what books....get them for yourself...there are even bestsellers on the topic....you are one freeper whose tone always irritates the hell out of me...
60 posted on 07/18/2002 1:44:20 PM PDT by chemainus
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