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Wow, I bet you still don't understand why all your logical reasoning for buying the wife a dishwasher for her anniversary didn't work. You may be able to construct some cold legalism in your head, but you completely miss the point.

Man was given dominion over animals, but he was ALSO given the responsibility of stewardship. Witness Jesus' parable of the shephard searching for the single lost lamb, the lamb represents a soul, not simply "property". A man is the head of the household, but that in no way allows him to harm his wife, but quite the opposite. There is a huge difference between slaughtering an animal for food, and torturing an animal for pleasure.

If animals were simply meaningless pieces of meat, why does God know all the movements of the birds in the field, why would he care? No, they are not our equals, they do not have souls, but where in the Bible does it condone causing pain? Only in defense. A good steward nurtures, not tortures.

Your legalism is misguided. Caring and kindness is an underlying theme throughout the Bible, but you seem to ignore that. Jesus took pity on the poor and the hurting. Yes, they had souls, but an underlying point is the compassion and caring of God. How is it caring and compassionate to inflict pain on an unwilling recipient? Animals may not have souls, but they can feel pain.

Perhaps you should quit posting and reevaluate, before you further embarrass yourself. Your profile says that you are a Christian, but your posts on this thread misrepresent Biblical teachings.

re post 65. To put it simply. I believe that the important thing about every human endeavor is not what we do but WHY we do it. If I have extra kittens and I put them in a bag and brain 'em with a bat and throw 'em in the garbage, I am being a steward, like when I put out rat traps.

If, on the other hand, I beat 'em to listen to 'em scream, I am doing something wrong. No argument with you there.

My main point is that there are much worse wrongs that people can do that really bother me. When Jesus used the parable of the lost sheep it was, in fact, a PARABLE. The listeners (and we)could relate because they knew how valuable a sheep, as an investment, was. And it was, in fact, property!

When I hear of people doing what these people did, it makes me very sad. Not for the kitten, but for the people participating in the activity. Theirs are the souls Jesus died for, not the kittens. They are demonstrating a lack of respect for His creation and a lack of respect for themselves.

We ALL do it in other ways. Theirs is just more emotionally charged for most people than using drugs or prostitution.

Animals are, in fact, property and need to be cared for as such.

Shoot, did anyone on this thread spend any time on a ranch or farm? Is this all just city folk here? Animals are most definitely NOT people and should never come close to LEGALLY rising to that level!