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First Amendment Doesn't Protect Virtual Kiddie Porn
The Claremont Institute ^ | July 31, 2000 | John C. Eastman

Posted on 07/16/2002 2:03:35 PM PDT by aconservaguy

The Claremont Institute

This is the print version of http://www.claremont.org/projects/jurisprudence/000731eastman.html.

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First Amendment Doesn't Protect Virtual Kiddie Porn By John C. Eastman Posted July 31, 2000

For more than a quarter century, Congress and state legislatures have been trying to rid our land of child pornography. But with each new attempt, the purveyors of child porn find a loophole or a friendly judge who, relying on a misbegotten First Amendment reading, strikes down the law as unconstitutional.

The latest loophole is the result of technological advances in software that permit pornographers to produce virtual images of children engaged in sexual activity without using live children. These pornographic films are indistinguishable from the real thing, however, and thus cause many of the same harms that "real" child pornography cause by providing pedophiles with a tool to seduce children, titillating child molesters into action and undermining the morals of society. To close this loophole in existing law, Congress enacted the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996, which outlaws the interstate trafficking of materials that are, or appear to be of, minors engaging in sexual conduct.

Before the statute could be enforced, a group of pornographers brought a lawsuit in a California federal court to have the act declared unconstitutional as a violation of the pornographers' First Amendment right to free speech. The district court rejected their challenge, but a split panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed, with two judges appointed by President Clinton holding that the only governmental interest compelling enough to warrant restricting pornographers' First Amendment rights was the harm to actual children used in making the pornography, an interest not implicated by virtual reality kiddie porn. Free Speech Coalition v. Reno, 198 F.3d 1083 (9th Cir. 1999).

The rehearing was recently denied en banc, and the government will undoubtedly seek review in the U.S. Supreme Court. This should be an easy case.

As Justice Antonin Scalia noted in Barnes v. Glen Theatre Inc., a case in which the Supreme Court upheld a South Bend, Indiana ordinance prohibiting nude dancing, the First Amendment protects the freedom of speech and of the press, but not expressive conduct.

The purpose of the First Amendment is to prevent government from interfering with the free exchange of ideas, an exercise in human reason that was necessary for the perpetuation of our republican form of government. Although courts have since broadened the First Amendment to protect certain forms of conduct that express ideas normally conveyed by speech, the Supreme Court has rejected the notion that a limitless variety of conduct can be labeled "speech" whenever the person engaging in it intends to express some erotic, perverse or hateful idea.

Pornography, and especially child pornography, is the antithesis of the founding ideal of speech as reasoned discourse. It appeals not at all to human reason but rather to the basest of human passions. It is of such slight social value that, like fighting words, libel and obscenity, it constitutes no essential part of the exposition of ideas.

Even if one could credibly argue that there is some First Amendment value to such pornography, any minimal benefit is clearly outweighed by society's interest in order and morality. As a result, the Supreme Court held in New York v. Ferber nearly 20 years ago that child pornography fell outside First Amendment protections. The court's characterization should hold true whether or not real children are used to produce the pornographic materials.

As Judge Warren Ferguson noted in his Free Speech Coalition dissent, child pornography harms not just the children used to make it, but other children whom pedophiles might seduce by showing them virtual images of children engaging in sexual activity. More fundamentally, like the public nudity that was at issue in Barnes, child pornography has since time immemorial been considered an evil in itself.

Even the Ninth Circuit recognized that such images are morally repugnant. The prohibition of virtual reality child pornography is therefore permissible not just because of the harm it might cause others but because it is per se immoral. The Ninth Circuit panel's contrary holding not only ignores the legitimate governmental interests but denigrates the true meaning of the First Amendment.

This is not a case where we need to tolerate hateful speech in order to prevent gradual encroachments on legitimate First Amendment freedoms. Legitimate speech is not threatened by governmental restrictions on child pornography, and we need not suffer such affronts to public decency in order to fully vindicate the First Amendment. Hopefully, the U.S. Supreme Court will reverse the panel decision and uphold Congress's legitimate efforts to bring the virtual kiddie porn to a virtual halt.

John C. Eastman is a professor of constitutional law at Chapman University School of Law and the director of the Claremont Institute's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence.

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To: Houmatt; DoughtyOne; jwalsh07; Richard Kimball; biblewonk; general_re
Is porn "speech?" Is porn protected under the first amendment? Is it unconstitutional or constitutional for a town or city or state to ban porn (and just referencing to whatever amendment i don't think is good enough for either idea)? Irrespective of twinkies or smoking or some abstract "right," can it be shown that pornography is or is not a constitutionally protected? There's been much discussion about whether or not it's right to ban it, yet discussion about the legality of a ban or a constitutional protection has been lost. Or maybe i'm not looking back far enough;)
121 posted on 07/17/2002 4:54:28 PM PDT by aconservaguy
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To: Houmatt
WHY don't we have an ignore function so we can flush mentally, emotionally and morally diseased people like this bleep?

Ironically, i think it's freedom of speech;)

122 posted on 07/17/2002 4:56:03 PM PDT by aconservaguy
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To: aconservaguy
Although I'd term myself a very infrequent user of soft porn, I do believe that adults should be able to dable in it if they so choose. When the subject turns to snuff films, I'm not convinced it should be available, but I've never formed a firm conviction over this.
123 posted on 07/17/2002 5:05:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: aconservaguy
Mere pornography cannot be forbidden under the 1'st and 14'th Amendments, whether by states, localities, or the federal government, but obscenity can be banned, as per Miller. The court set up a three-pronged test in Miller for determining whether material was obscene, that went like this:

The basic guidelines for the trier of fact must be: (a) whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards" would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest, Kois v. Wisconsin, supra, at 230, quoting Roth v. United States, supra, at 489; (b) whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law; and (c) whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

The decision has been refined over the years since then (Miller was 1973), notably in Smith v. US, 431 US 291 (1977), and Pope v. Illinois, 481 US 497 (1987), but the basic, increasingly shaky, framework of Miller remains.

124 posted on 07/17/2002 5:12:01 PM PDT by general_re
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To: BikerNYC

Where is that balancing test located within the text of the First Amendment? When does "no law" mean "no law"?

The first Amendment was not created to protect the most popular speech, rather, to protect the least popular speech.

125 posted on 07/17/2002 5:20:42 PM PDT by Zon
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To: DoughtyOne
There is a serious problem putting people in jail because of your human experience. You can disagree with whoever you want, but you need more information than an opinion of you and some of the "male members" here to put people in jail when there is no victim.
126 posted on 07/17/2002 8:17:19 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Zon
I agree, but others don't.
127 posted on 07/17/2002 8:52:02 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: breakem
Please read the thread and re-evaluate if there is a victim or not. I believe that there is a victim.
128 posted on 07/17/2002 9:07:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne; Houmatt; general_re
You guys have done an excellent job countering the red herrings and mis-directions and what ifs. This has been a most interesting thread to read.

As an amused spectator, I must say you've won this debate without question.

129 posted on 07/17/2002 10:07:55 PM PDT by keri
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To: keri
Perhaps you ought to be a bit clearer about which "you guys" you had in mind as you were writing that ;)
130 posted on 07/17/2002 10:17:37 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
Nope;-) I think it's very clear;-) (at least to the winners;-)
131 posted on 07/17/2002 10:22:10 PM PDT by keri
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To: keri
Thanks - I thought I did pretty well, too ;)
132 posted on 07/17/2002 10:25:50 PM PDT by general_re
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To: aconservaguy
The first ammendment doesn't apply to anything but Congress.
133 posted on 07/17/2002 10:27:15 PM PDT by doryfunk
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To: aconservaguy
Silly argument. If "Beneficial to society" were a test of free speech we could legally stone Carrot Top.
134 posted on 07/17/2002 10:32:39 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas
If "Beneficial to society" were a test of free speech we could legally stone Carrot Top.

Sounds okay to me ;)

135 posted on 07/17/2002 10:35:26 PM PDT by general_re
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To: DoughtyOne
Near real looking animation's of:

Sex with an infant by an adult.
Rape of an infant by an adult.
Sodomy of an infant by an adult.
The genitalia of infants and young children.
Penetration of children by foreign objects.
The depiction of forced sex and pain inflicted on young children.
Snuff films incorporating depiction's of sex and violent death involving young children.

Get a grip. You're being gross. Every one of the items that you listed would be subject to prosecution under the existing obscenity laws.

136 posted on 07/17/2002 10:40:46 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy
If what you say is true, then excellent Sandy. However I'm not going to appologize to anyone for describing in graphic details what some of these child porn videos depict. If you don't like it I suggest you find another thread to frequent. When it comes to child pornography I'm not going to mince words. I won't for you or anyone else. People need to know what we're talking about here and I'm not going to avoid being frank.
137 posted on 07/17/2002 11:09:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Sandy
In the interest of accuracy you should have read the opening article.

Before the statute could be enforced, a group of pornographers brought a lawsuit in a California federal court to have the act declared unconstitutional as a violation of
the pornographers' First Amendment right to free speech. The district court rejected their challenge, but a split panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals
reversed, with two judges appointed by President Clinton holding that the only governmental interest compelling enough to warrant restricting pornographers' First
Amendment rights was the harm to actual children used in making the pornography, an interest not implicated by virtual reality kiddie porn. Free Speech Coalition v.
Reno, 198 F.3d 1083 (9th Cir. 1999).

Now, as you were saying...

138 posted on 07/17/2002 11:16:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: general_re
LOL. Yes, I think you do pretty good. That's partly why I was happy to see Doughty One and Houmatt beat you.
139 posted on 07/17/2002 11:17:30 PM PDT by keri
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To: DoughtyOne
If what you say is true

It's true. I gather you either didn't read the Supreme Court decision or didn't understand the issue.

. . . we may assume that the apparent age of persons engaged in sexual conduct is relevant to whether a depiction offends community standards. Pictures of young children engaged in certain acts might be obscene where similar depictions of adults, or perhaps even older adolescents, would not. The CPPA, however, is not directed at speech that is obscene [my bold]; Congress has proscribed those materials through a separate statute. 18 U. S. C. §§1460-1466. Like the law in Ferber, the CPPA seeks to reach beyond obscenity, and it makes no attempt to conform to the Miller standard [my bold]. For instance, the statute would reach visual depictions, such as movies, even if they have redeeming social value.

The principal question to be resolved, then, is whether the CPPA is constitutional where it proscribes a significant universe of speech that is neither obscene under Miller nor child pornography under Ferber [my bold] . . .

Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition

Read the opinion. Federal and state obscenity laws stand, as do Miller and Ferber.
140 posted on 07/17/2002 11:31:58 PM PDT by Sandy
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