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Plans for rebuilding at the World Trade Center site - SEE HERE!
CNN ^ | 7/16/02

Posted on 07/16/2002 9:35:53 AM PDT by finnman69

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:00:51 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: architecture; plans; worldtradecenter; wtc
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This concept plan creates an 8-acre plaza west of an extended Greenwich Street, with sites for memorials and buildings for museum/cultural uses. Fulton and Cortlandt streets are extended to Greenwich Street, and Fulton becomes a pedestrian path through the open space to connect to the World Financial Center. West Street express traffic is submerged in a tunnel, and local traffic is carried on a reduced surface boulevard, to allow the open space and memorial or cultural facilities to expand to the west. A tall, freestanding mixed-use tower is located on the northwest corner of the site, which could have an antenna or sculptural top that marks the skyline. This tower would terminate a promenade linking the site to Battery Park, and via ferry, Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty.

Principal Features of this Concept Plan:
8-acre plaza with a memorial/cultural building on the western edge,br> 13.1 total acres of new public space, including parks, streets, and sidewalks
Greenwich Street extended through site, Fulton and Cortlandt Streets extended partially through site
100 feet of West Street reclaimed at grade for open space and museum facility
West Street tunnel from Battery Park to Vesey Street (local surface traffic)
5 towers (1 at 79 stories, 2 at 67 stories, and 2 at 62 stories)
Potential residential development south of Liberty Street
Promenade to Battery Park, and via ferry, Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty




This concept plan creates a 10-acre square framed by 10-story buildings. A multi-level public arcade surrounds the square and connects to retail levels and transit systems. Rooftop gardens of the low buildings are connected by a continuous public walkway that surrounds and overlooks the square, creating an upper level of public open space. The tallest tower could have an antenna or sculptural top that marks the skyline. Four city blocks to the south of the site are acquired to create a new cultural district and park spaces connecting Broadway to the waterfront. Greenwich Street is extended through the site, and could have limited vehicular access. West Street express traffic is submerged in a tunnel to create a promenade linking the site to Battery Park, and via ferry, Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty.

Principal Features of this Concept Plan:
10-acre square, with a memorial/cultural building on the western edge
Public arcades and rooftops overlooking square
19.1 total acres of public space, including parks, streets, sidewalks, and public arcades
Liberty Street green corridor from Broadway to waterfront
Greenwich Street extended through site
West Street tunnel from Battery Park to Chambers Street (local surface traffic)
4 towers (1 at 80 stories, 2 at 70 stories, 1 at 56 stories)
New cultural district south of the site
8-acres of new property created or acquired, including the Cultural District and a portion of West Street
Promenade to Battery Park, and via ferry, Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty



This concept plan creates a 5-acre triangular public open space with Greenwich Street extending through the site. New memorial, cultural, and commercial facilities enclose this open space to the west, with a central public pavilion. A major east-west pedestrian route passes through a series of open and enclosed spaces, including the pavilion, which provides access to memorial facilities and a below-grade transit concourse. A broad elevated pedestrian deck spans West Street to reach the upper level of the Winter Garden, leading to the waterfront.

Principal Features of this Concept Plan:
5-acre triangular open space
Memorial/cultural facilities, with a public pavilion
13.2 acres of total public space including streets, sidewalks, and public arcades
Elevated pedestrian deck over West Street to the Winter Garden
Greenwich Street extended through site
West Street at grade with pedestrian deck
6 towers (1 at 85 stories, 1 at 61 stories, and 4 at 59 stories)
Potential residential development south of Liberty Street



This concept plan creates a 4-acre open space between an extended Greenwich Street and West Street. Memorial or cultural uses occupy the southwest corner of the site. Fulton street is extended from Church Street to Greenwich Street, and further east by a multi-level pedestrian concourse, which connects by bridge to the Winter Garden upper level. The tallest of five office towers overlooks the new open space, and could have an antenna or sculptural top which marks the skyline.

Principal Features of this Concept Plan:
4-acre open space
Memorial or cultural facilities in the southwest portion of the site
6.8-acres of new public space including streets, sidewalks, and public arcades
Greenwich Street extended through site, Fulton Street extended partially through site
West Street at grade with pedestrian bridge
5 towers (1 at 80 stories, 2 at 66 stories, 2 at 50 stories)
Potential residential development south of Liberty Street



This concept plan creates a memorial site within a 6-acre park that is partially situated on a deck over West Street. Two buildings for museum or cultural uses complete the park's enclosure. A new public square is created on a block west of St Paul's chapel. Fulton, Cortlandt, and Liberty Streets are oriented perpendicular to West Street. Fulton Street becomes a major east-west corridor with a pedestrian arcade that flows from Greenwich Street to the World Financial Center. North-south regional traffic uses a West Street bypass that runs under the deck. The plan requires the acquisition of part of the plaza of the Deutsche Bank building and the parking lot at Cedar and West Streets.

Principal Features of this Concept Plan:
6-acre park partially situated on a deck over West Street
14.4 acres of new public space, including new streets, public square, arcades and an enclosed galleria
Fulton and Cortlandt streets extend to the World Financial Center, perpendicular to West Street
Greenwich Street extends through the site with active building frontages on both sides
West Street bypass tunnel from Albany Street to Vesey Street (local traffic at surface)
5 towers (2 at 72 stories, 3 at 45 stories)
Potential residential development south of Liberty Street
6 acres of property created on a deck over West Street



This concept plan creates a large oval park on a deck above West Street, as well as new public squares, memorial sites, and sites for a museum and other important low-rise cultural buildings positioned to be visible from beyond the site. A grand promenade extends south along West Street to Battery Park, lined with trees or plants to remember each of the victims. By connecting the proposed museum/cultural facilities on the site to Battery Park, the promenade forms a dignified, symbolic connection of spaces between the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island and the World Trade Center site. The skyline is marked by two 63-story towers on the eastern portion of the site along Church Street.

Principal Features of this Concept Plan:
Promenade connecting museum/cultural facilities on the site to Battery Park, and via ferry, Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty
Cultural and memorial uses on the western portion of the site
27.7 acres of public space, including the grand promenade, new streets, public squares, arcades, and an enclosed galleria
New streets including grand promenade
West Street tunnel from Battery Park to Vesey Street (local traffic at surface)
6 towers (2 at 63 stories, 4 at 32 stories)
Potential residential development south of Liberty Street
19.4 acres of new property created, on a deck and grand promenade over the submerged express lanes of West Street

101 posted on 07/16/2002 10:49:02 AM PDT by finnman69
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To: Willie Green
no offence...but WaaLaa is supposed to be Viola

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102 posted on 07/16/2002 10:49:53 AM PDT by smith288
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To: discostu
Well you get some serious problems with extremely deep tunneling.
And I'm not sure you could find enough people like me (with a serious dislike for natural light) to populate the thing.

They used to say the same thing about skyscrapers a century or so ago.
New technology was developed to meet the challenge of building higher and higher.
Interestingly, digging deeper is probably less challenging than building higher.
Much of the necessary technology already exists.
It's just that it costs a little more to dig down through rock.
But it doesn't mean that it can't be done if one truely wanted the world's DEEPEST office building!

103 posted on 07/16/2002 10:50:00 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: finnman69
Here is another concept for the new World Trade Center.
http://www.wtc2002.com
104 posted on 07/16/2002 10:57:23 AM PDT by Gaston
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To: housethatruthbuilt
i think we should leave it as a park, and plant flowers, and put in benches so we can cry in our soup and meditate about why everyone hates us so much...waa waa
thats effectively what i overheard someone saying the other day. i almost slapped the person and gave them money for a one way ticket to berkeley. instead i ordered a double.

LOL, I've been there too.

And you have to be a New Yorker, with that screen name.

105 posted on 07/16/2002 10:58:17 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: smith288
Voila </end self correction>
106 posted on 07/16/2002 11:01:31 AM PDT by smith288
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Although, it probably would still be cheaper than air conditioning something like the original WTC.

Yep. Whatever the temperature, underground is more thermally stable and insulated from the seasonal temperature swings experienced above ground. Additionally, it would be unnecessary to design the structure to withstand potentially high hurricane wind forces. The structure would also likely require a less massive foundation to support the weight. Trusswork could transfer the weight-load latterally against the solid bedrock as one continued to dig downward.

107 posted on 07/16/2002 11:02:30 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: finnman69
Comments?

They all suck.

108 posted on 07/16/2002 11:05:41 AM PDT by GnL
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To: smith288
no offence...but WaaLaa is supposed to be Viola

LOL! Please excuse my French!

109 posted on 07/16/2002 11:05:51 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: rintense
I defintely like the concept--it's very beautiful. As a New Yorker I am concerned about the skyline, of course so I want height--but I really like the circular towers design. It's different and its feel airy and it soars. No preservation of the WTC footprints though--I would like to see the footprints become reflecting pools. The original WTC had an enormous central plaza that had pools and open air atriums for music, vendors, etc. I really miss being able to sit there on a Sunday afternoon and read my newspaper. I'm sure that they'll come up with something beautiful in the end.
110 posted on 07/16/2002 11:06:57 AM PDT by foreshadowed at waco
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To: smith288
Voila </end self correction>

Ack!

And here I thought you had a wry sense of humor...

Shoulda just let it go with the first "correction".

111 posted on 07/16/2002 11:08:39 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Willie Green
The structure would also likely require a less massive foundation to support the weight.

How much bedrock is down there? Seems like a daunting task to tunnel through bedrock if it goes down a ways.

112 posted on 07/16/2002 11:08:44 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Willie Green
The challenges of going up are just a matter of tensile strength. The challenges of down are preasure and temperature (it gets nice and cool for a while, but when you get too deep it gets really hot, like really hot for me a nearly lifelong desert dweller).

And there's still the problem of finding enough sun hating freaks (I know I know, a desert dweller that hates the sun, I like the warm winters and I never open blinds) to make the thing profitable. People think I'm kidding when I request interior offices.
113 posted on 07/16/2002 11:08:46 AM PDT by discostu
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To: livius
I don't think a park is inevitably a scene of drug dealing and crime. If the police let it get that way, yes, it will be. But I think the important thing will be to make sure from the start that any public space there is kept clean, well policed, etc.

So in other words, it will cost money instead of bringing any in.

I don't think people are considering one important factor, which is the the Towers drew literally bazillions of tourists every year! Just to take pictures, ride the elevators all the way to the top, and take more pictures. You were practically tripping over tourists with their cameras and camcorders. They were all over the place down there and all the merchants benefitted. Tourists get hungry and thirsty and have irresistable urges to buy the stuff they see displayed in windows at street level. We NEED tourists. Would they come to Lower Manhattan to see the tallest building in the world? Yes. Will they come to sit on a park bench and look at stunted office buildings? Hell no. They can see that anywhere. They'll bypass the area altogether and head straight to the Statue of Liberty or the South Street Seaport instead.

114 posted on 07/16/2002 11:09:38 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: smith288
no offence...but WaaLaa is supposed to be Viola

No offense, but offence is supposed to be offense, and Viola is supposed to be voila.

115 posted on 07/16/2002 11:14:11 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: smith288
LOL.... viola, voila.... We all understood the waalaa!
FYI Voila! should always be followed by an apostrophe.
116 posted on 07/16/2002 11:16:25 AM PDT by Gaston
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To: smith288
FYI Voila! should always be followed by an apostrophe.

Duh.. that should say followed by an exclamation point.

117 posted on 07/16/2002 11:20:13 AM PDT by Gaston
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To: Gaston
Yeah, that's it, one of them there explanation points! LOL!
118 posted on 07/16/2002 11:22:03 AM PDT by brewcrew
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
How much bedrock is down there? Seems like a daunting task to tunnel through bedrock if it goes down a ways.

Heck, I dunno.
I'm sure a geologist would laugh at my naivete, but I always just assumed that bedrock was bedrock -- it just keeps on going until you reach the layer that's molton lava or magma or whatever they call it. Not sure how deep that is, it probably varies in different regions of the planet. But some of those gold mines in Africa go down a mile or more, and I don't think 110 stories down need to go that deep. And my impression is that Manhatten is geologicly stable enough that the bedrock is probably pretty dang thick.

Those gold mines in Africa DO get pretty doggone hot at depth. But you need an HVAC system anyway, so just use it as a geothermal power source for the rest of Manhatten. (Help cut down on smog and pollution)

119 posted on 07/16/2002 11:25:20 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: brewcrew
Some days it doesn't pay to correct a correctionist. LOL
120 posted on 07/16/2002 11:27:33 AM PDT by Gaston
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