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To: Ahban
Any other kind of life is just pure speculation. It is not based on fact.

The point is that you must refute the speculation before you can make arguments about the probability of us being here. The total probability is the sum of all possibilities; unless we know what they are, how can we compute the sum? You can look at the specific path of a falling leaf and correctly declare it exquisitely improbable, but the probabilities of all possible paths add up to one.

224 posted on 07/16/2002 7:50:54 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
The point is that you must refute the speculation before you can make arguments about the probability of us being here

Sheesh. It is NOT up to me to refute the speculation, it is up to the speculator to offer some supporting FACTS for their speculation.

I could speculate that there is another planet where there are unicorns and pigs really DO fly out of the end of central digestive tubes. Then I could claim it is up to YOU to refute that speculation. I'd be wrong. It is just what I HOPE for, not what I have actual evidence for. But you will never be able to prove that such a planet does not exist- for one thing, proving negatives is really tough!

Here is why I think Earth is unique in the universe..

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design_evidences/20020502_solar_system_design.html?main

I realize that these parameters are for carbon based life as we know it, but until we get FACTS supporting the existence of some other kind, what else can we do?

Look, I am not wanting to fight about this. I hope there is something all of the scientists are missing and that advanced life is abundant. Show me to be wrong, please- on this one I won't mind. But do it with facts, not insisting that it is up to ME to disprove your unsupported speculations.

233 posted on 07/16/2002 8:50:38 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Physicist
The point is that you must refute the speculation before you can make arguments about the probability of us being here.

That is a totally ridiculous statement. Just because someone makes up a hypothesis does not mean that one needs to refute it. It is the person making the hypothesis that needs to give the evidence. To call any speculation legitimate without any supporting evidence is making the delusions of the insane legitimate. It makes such statements as 'Martians exist, but the evidence has not been found', 'the dog ate my homework','the cow jumped over the moon' and almost any other insane proposition perfectly legitimate.

237 posted on 07/16/2002 9:05:10 PM PDT by gore3000
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