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Astronomers Hope to Find E.T. in Next 25 Years
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | Tue Jul 16, 6:34 AM ET | By Belinda Goldsmith

Posted on 07/16/2002 7:40:55 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

CANBERRA (Reuters) - Scientists searching the stars for aliens are convinced an E.T. is out there -- it's just that they haven't had the know-how to detect such a being.

But now technological advances have opened the way for scientists to check millions of previously unknown star systems, dramatically increasing the chances of finding intelligent life in outer space in the next 25 years, the world's largest private extraterrestrial agency believes.

"We're looking for needles in the haystack that is our galaxy, but there could be thousands of needles out there," Seth Shostak, the senior astronomer at California's non-profit Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence ( news - web sites) (SETI) Institute, told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday.

"If that's the case, with the number of new star systems we now hope to check, we should find one of those in the next 25 years."

But Shostak, visiting Australia to attend a conference on extraterrestrial research, said detecting alien life, like the big-eyed alien in the film E.T., was only the start.

"Even if we detect life out there, we'll still know nothing about what form of life we have detected and I doubt they'll be able -- or want -- to communicate with us," Shostak said.

Since it was founded in 1984, the SETI Institute has monitored radio signals, hoping to pick up a transmission from outer space. Its Project Phoenix conducts two annual three-week sessions on a radio telescope at Arecibo, Puerto Rico.

Project Phoenix, widely seen as the inspiration for the 1997 film "Contact" starring Jodie Foster, which depicted a search for life beyond earth, is the privately funded successor to an original NASA ( news - web sites) program that was canceled in 1993 amid much skepticism by the U.S. Congress.

But the search has been slow. About 500 of 1,000 targeted stars have been examined -- and no extraterrestrial transmissions have been detected.

E.T. NOT ON THE LINE

"We do get signals all the time but when checked out they have all been human made...and are not from E.T., more AT&T," said Shostak.

He said the privately-funded institute was developing a giant US$26 million telescope to start operating in 2005 that can search the stars for signals at least 100 times faster.

The so-called Allen Telescope Array, named after sponsor and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, is a network of more than 350, six-meter (20-foot) satellite dishes with a collecting area exceeding that of a 100-meter (338-foot) telescope.

The Allen array, to be built at the Hat Creek Observatory about 290 miles northeast of San Fransciso, will also expand the institute's stellar reconnaissance to 100,000 or even one million nearby stars, searching 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

Shostak said he is convinced there is intelligent life out there -- but don't expect to find a loveable, boggle-eyed E.T..

He said if any aliens share the same carbon-based organic chemistry as humans, they would probably have a central processing system, eyes, a mouth or two, legs and some form of reproduction.

But Shostak thinks any intelligent extraterrestrial life will have gone light years beyond the intelligence of man.

"What we are more likely to hear will be so far beyond our own level that it might not be biological anymore but some artificial form of life," he said. "Don't expect a blobby, squishy alien to be on the end of the line."


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KEYWORDS: alien; astronomers; et; extraterrestrial; godlessheathens; paranormal; sethshostak; seti; ufo
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To: PatrickHenry
Nice try, but we are not told if the mirror is moving toward us or away from us, or what, and I think that would affect the results -- if such a problem even has results.

Thanks for the encouragement. :)

In my guess, I made the assumption that whether the mirror is moving away or towards us doesn't make a difference since "the mirror is located 1/2 light year away when the signal bounces from it."

441 posted on 07/20/2002 6:16:35 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
In my guess, I made the assumption that whether the mirror is moving away or towards us doesn't make a difference since "the mirror is located 1/2 light year away when the signal bounces from it."

Quite right. I had forgotten that.

442 posted on 07/20/2002 6:19:14 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Momaw Nadon
#440 was supposed to go to you. I have a feeling the whole exercise of sending and bouncing FTL signals could be a waste of our time. It's making me irritated and tired, and I'm about ready to call it a day.
443 posted on 07/20/2002 6:20:26 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: apochromat
Thanks for posing this interesting problem.

I'm sure someone on Free Republic will be able to solve it.

By the way, when the astronomers said that they would find an ET signal within 25 years, how did they come up with the estimation of 25 years? Why not 5, or 10, or 50, or 100, or something else?

444 posted on 07/20/2002 6:28:14 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
when the astronomers said that they would find an ET signal within 25 years, how did they come up with the estimation of 25 years?

The reason could be part money, part science, and part wild guessing, maybe. It's beyond my knowledge as to whether the SETI program will actually accomplish something, or whether it will miss something significant. That's about all I have to say on it now.

445 posted on 07/20/2002 6:55:01 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: Momaw Nadon; RadioAstronomer
By the way, when the astronomers said that they would find an ET signal within 25 years, how did they come up with the estimation of 25 years? Why not 5, or 10, or 50, or 100, or something else?

If RadioAstronomer gets this ping, he can give you a better answer than anyone else, because he works in SETI (a privately-funded project). My guess is that they estimate it will take that long with existing technology to conduct the searches of the areas and frequencies that they want to explore.

446 posted on 07/20/2002 7:48:57 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: All
LOL! I take a nice 3-day weekend, and find that somebody's still stewing about an imagined slight, even as he admits that he doesn't understand the physics he insists he doesn't care about, yet somehow still wants to discuss. If I have time today, I'll write up a simple, quantitative illustration of how FTL signals would behave, according to Einstein.
447 posted on 07/22/2002 4:43:51 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Momaw Nadon
In my guess, I made the assumption that whether the mirror is moving away or towards us doesn't make a difference since "the mirror is located 1/2 light year away when the signal bounces from it."

But it does make a difference. This is because in the frame of the moving observer, the distance between the two events (signal transmission and signal reception) is different, and the time between them is also different. (For a signal moving faster than c, the time ordering of the events may even be reversed.) For a signal propagating at the speed of light, these changes work out such that the speed of the signal is invariant for the two observers, but that's the only velocity for which that can be arranged. Anything moving faster or slower than c will have different velocities with respect to the two observers.

448 posted on 07/22/2002 4:49:52 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: VadeRetro
Placemarker.
449 posted on 07/22/2002 9:18:15 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: apochromat
You're just another guy like Physicist and balrog, acting the weasels and jerking me around. When are you guys going to see that your tales of reasonableness and politeness are getting way too threadbare? Go ahead, cover your offensive with your pretense of noble intent, then, as Judge Judy says, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining!"

Oh, boo hoo. Poor innocent you. Here you are being a shining example of innocent reasonableness, when for some strange reason, we all gang up on you out of the blue.

I wonder how this group delusion got started--h'mm--lets look at your previous posts. Aha--I think I've got it.

I recommend a quick review of Emily Post, or developing a thicker skin before deciding to sound off around here.

450 posted on 07/22/2002 10:38:15 AM PDT by donh
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To: donh
I think I've got it

Put a hat on it, and nobody will notice.

451 posted on 07/22/2002 11:46:46 AM PDT by apochromat
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To: apochromat
Can't find your Emily Post, eh?
452 posted on 07/22/2002 11:52:01 PM PDT by donh
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To: Momaw Nadon; VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman
A little off-topic here...but can anyone recommend a recent (< 5 yrs old), sober analysis of UFOs? The author(s) should be neither pathologically gullible nor pathologically skeptical....

Thanks in advance.
453 posted on 07/23/2002 11:38:03 AM PDT by NukeMan
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To: NukeMan
These two books may be helpful:


Alien Agenda: Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us

by Jim Marrs, 1998


Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis

by Paul R. Hill, Richard M. Wood, 1995

454 posted on 07/23/2002 12:37:30 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: NukeMan
The author(s) should be neither pathologically gullible nor pathologically skeptical....

Wow, that narrows the field somewhat ;)

455 posted on 07/23/2002 3:38:41 PM PDT by Scully
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To: Scully
I hear ya! One man's open-mindedness is another man's irrationality, etc. It might be hard to keep an open mind on this topic.

John Mack & Whitley Strieber are too gullible, and CSICOP is too skeptical...
Or are they? ;)
456 posted on 07/23/2002 4:16:41 PM PDT by NukeMan
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To: NukeMan
John Mack & Whitley Strieber are too gullible, and CSICOP is too skeptical... Or are they? ;)

Well, they are entertaining anyway. And sometimes that's just what I need after a difficult day in the lab. :)

457 posted on 07/23/2002 4:31:52 PM PDT by Scully
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To: NukeMan
>A little off-topic here...but can anyone recommend a recent (< 5 yrs old), sober analysis of UFOs? The author(s) should be neither pathologically gullible nor pathologically skeptical.... <

http://www.ufoskeptic.org/

It's EXACTLY what you asked for....
458 posted on 07/23/2002 8:30:22 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: donh; Physicist
As politely as I can muster, post #448 is yet another hilarious, but otherwise worthless, nonsequitur.
459 posted on 07/23/2002 9:15:17 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: longshadow
Indeed it is! Thanks.
460 posted on 07/24/2002 9:51:24 AM PDT by NukeMan
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