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Astronomers Hope to Find E.T. in Next 25 Years
Reuters via Yahoo! ^ | Tue Jul 16, 6:34 AM ET | By Belinda Goldsmith

Posted on 07/16/2002 7:40:55 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

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To: RightWhale
The report Art Bell talks about all the time that says the authorities should withhold knowledge of existence of space aliens to avoid social disorder.

Kind of like they do with Islamic terrorists operating in our midst?

121 posted on 07/16/2002 10:35:23 AM PDT by TADSLOS
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To: LRS
If they are out there, we will eventual find them!

:-)

122 posted on 07/16/2002 10:36:48 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: SkyRat
True enough, it certainly involves that. There's some other ideas out there as well.
123 posted on 07/16/2002 10:37:51 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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To: RoughDobermann
"Argh! My eyes!!! My eyes!!!"

Argh! My lunch!!! My lunch!!!

124 posted on 07/16/2002 10:41:08 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
UFOs. They don't exist.

Sure they do. On occassion even the USAF flies them - then we get a better look.

125 posted on 07/16/2002 10:41:44 AM PDT by lepton
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To: VOR78
Well, consider the case of lasers used in communication. Being as highly focused as it is, wouldn't it be extremely difficult to detect if not aimed right at us?

I do not disagree at all. However, A vast amount of our communications is not designed to be used in a tight beam point-to-point format such as a laser. As we spread thru the solar system, high power EM will become increasing prevalent.

126 posted on 07/16/2002 10:43:09 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Momaw Nadon
OMG! That picture is SCARY!!!
127 posted on 07/16/2002 10:44:01 AM PDT by hattend
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To: Billthedrill
I firmly believe that I can't immediately identify everything that might be flying.
128 posted on 07/16/2002 10:44:36 AM PDT by lepton
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To: Physicist
"There's no mention of potatoes, either. Lost your faith, yet?"

I beg to differ, kind sir. I believe you may have missed the long forgotten passage "On the 8th day, the Lord created potato salad"

129 posted on 07/16/2002 10:44:58 AM PDT by bribriagain
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To: TADSLOS
While I don't follow conspiracy theories much, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot going on that we don't hear about.
130 posted on 07/16/2002 10:49:15 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: bribriagain
And we all know who created devilled eggs.
131 posted on 07/16/2002 10:52:22 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
God created all things and there his no mention of "aliens" in His word.

That sentence seems contradictory. If G-d created all things, then word, idea, and defintion of the term "alien" are also ultimately part of His plan and His creation. What then?

132 posted on 07/16/2002 10:56:24 AM PDT by Shryke
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To: Momaw Nadon
when it is the dark of the moon, and you are away from the lights of the city, go out and look at the night sky...See the milky way alone? How about everything else?

To say that there is no other life but man is to say all of these billions of systems are sterile, and devoid of life.

Look at the mars photos. There are straight lines, and all sorts of anomolous structures. Any scientist will tell you straight lines are man made and do not occur naturally, but here they are.

It is more likely than not that something besides nature created it. Well, it was alive, and had consciousness.

133 posted on 07/16/2002 11:50:15 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Physicist
Hmmmm. Very insightful! I suppose that is your sly way of saying that other planets may support advanced life that is "not like our life" in conditions that are "not like our conditions".

Maybe, but you've got it to prove.

134 posted on 07/16/2002 12:26:35 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Ahban
I suppose that is your sly way of saying that other planets may support advanced life that is "not like our life" in conditions that are "not like our conditions".

Right. The point is that wherever life arises, it will conform to its local environment so as to take maximal advantage of it, with the result that the environment will seem to have been prepared in advance especially for those organisms.

135 posted on 07/16/2002 12:37:13 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: DAnconia55
But how can I and Sagan be in agreement? Wasn't he the one who wrote "CONTACT"? Since my position is that, absent a miracle, we are the only intelligent physical life in the universe, how can Sagan and I be in agreement?

Additionally, not only is modern astronomy behind my position, it is acumulating more evidence for it all of the time. Consider this link

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design_evidences/20020502_solar_system_design.html?main

It gives 118 things that must be fine-tuned for the Earth to support advanced life. The odds for some of these things are hundreds or even thousands to one against. Multiply those odds together and you get a number far larger than any reasonable estimate for the number of solar systems in the galaxy. Indeed, the universe iteself does not contain enough likely candidates for there to be even one Earth, much less two.

We are either VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY lucky to be here, or we were meant to be.

136 posted on 07/16/2002 12:37:29 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Physicist
Ok, you have a point, but I think it is mainly applicable to micro-organisms, and even then there are limits to how far life can adapt.

See it this way, for other Earths we have only one test case, but for your idea we have nine test cases plus about 50 moons of pretty good size. No advanced life has developed on any of them, and probably no mirco-organisms either- despite the fact some have probably been "seeded" by earth biotics (from ateriod impacts blowing chucns of earth into space).

A lot had to go right for Earth to stay between the freezing and boiling temperature of water for 4 billion years. Take a look as this link

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/design_evidences/20020502_solar_system_design.html?main

It gives 118 things that have to go right. Some of them are finicky. Multiply them all together and it looks like we should not even be here.

I mean, what you say is true as far as it goes, especially for micro-organisms that can evolve a lot faster and farther than metazoans. But it applies only when you have a habitable environment to begin with, otherwise all planets in the solar system would likely contain life that evolved from the first life on earth.

137 posted on 07/16/2002 12:49:34 PM PDT by Ahban
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To: Conservative Chicagoan
These atheists can look all they want but they are going to find any UFOs. They don't exist.

No Biblical proof of this. None. I'm Christian, and I firmly believe there are "others" out there.

138 posted on 07/16/2002 12:58:12 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Ahban
It is literally a miracle that WE are even here..

The same miricle from whence came the rest of the universe.

139 posted on 07/16/2002 1:00:56 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Momaw Nadon
E.T. went home.
140 posted on 07/16/2002 1:03:17 PM PDT by Don Corleone
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