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Bush Is to Propose Broad New Powers in Domestic Security
The New York Times ^ | 07/16/2002 | ELIZABETH BECKER

Posted on 07/15/2002 9:03:38 PM PDT by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, July 15 — The Bush administration's broad new proposal for domestic security, to be made public on Tuesday, calls for sweeping changes that include the creation of a top-secret plan to protect the nation's critical infrastructure and a review of the law that could allow the military to operate more aggressively within the United States.

Tom Ridge, the president's adviser on domestic security, has been at work on the plan for more than eight months — beginning long before the proposal for a new department of homeland security, which was hastily announced last month as Congressional investigators were making public new information about intelligence lapses before Sept. 11.

The administration could impose some changes on its own authority, while others would require Congressional action. Dozens of the recommendations are familiar initiatives that the government has tried to enact for years but are newly popular to help reach the goal of preventing terrorist attacks within the United States. Many fall outside the scope of the proposed new department.

Given the difficulties the president's proposal for the department is facing in Congress, the idea that this new plan could be enacted as written is questionable.

These are among the administration's proposals:

¶Establish national standards for state driver's licenses.

¶Create an "intelligence threat division" in the new department that uses what the plan calls "red teams" of intelligence experts. These teams would act like terrorists and plot attacks on vulnerable new targets in the country so that means of preventing such attacks can be devised.

¶Increase inspections of international shipping containers before they leave foreign ports and as they cross United States borders.

¶Ensure that government agencies can communicate with one another, something successive administrations have tried and failed to do.

The plan also calls for the first thorough inventory of the country's critical infrastructure — both public and private — followed by a secret plan to protect it. The inventory would include, for example, highways, pipelines, agriculture, the Internet, databases and energy plants.

"That's one of the big points," said a senior administration official, who provided a copy of the plan to The New York Times. "The whole society is vulnerable with hundreds, thousands of targets we have to protect, but the most important stuff we do won't be released."

In a letter accompanying the plan, also provided by the official, President Bush said that the federal, state and local governments and private companies should share the responsibility for — and the $100 billion annual cost of — combating what he called the greatest threat to the United States this century. It was a sign that full financing for his plan would not come from the federal budget.

"We must rally our entire society to overcome a new and very complex challenge," Mr. Bush said.

The senior official said that the idea for the homeland security department actually grew out of the secret deliberations on this broader plan. But the official insisted that the administration actively fought Congressional efforts to legislate a new department throughout the winter and spring because the White House wanted to keep deliberations secret.

"People were asking for a strategy, but we weren't ready," the senior official said. "We announced the department first because we had finished that part of the study."

Congressional Democrats are openly criticizing the White House for having been too closed and secretive in the development of what amounts to the largest reorganization of government in 50 years.

Democratic lawmakers on the House Appropriations Committee issued a statement today complaining that the legislation for the security department was written by White House political appointees without proper consultations. "That kind of secretive and arrogant behavior has produced a plan that, in many areas, is poorly constructed and complicates Congress's ability to produce a good final bill," said David Sirota, a committee spokesman.

The plan begins with an acknowledgment of the difficulty of defining the problem: "Terrorism is not so much a system of belief, like fascism or communism, as it is a strategy and a tactic — a means of attack."

Domestic attacks like Timothy J. McVeigh's on Oklahoma City in 1995 and the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon should be treated as terrorism even if the motives may differ widely, according the study. For that reason, it proposes to make better use of the military to counter domestic threats.

Before today, senior Pentagon officials had repeatedly said that they had no plans to ask Congress to revamp the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which sharply restricts the military's ability to participate in domestic law enforcement.

In a hearing before the Senate Appropriations Committee in May, Senator Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska, asked Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld whether the administration was hoping to make changes in the act.

"No, Senator, we're not," Mr. Rumsfeld replied. "We're not looking for any long-term or short-term change with respect to Posse Comitatus."

But the Bush plan says that "the threat of catastrophic terrorism requires a thorough review of the laws permitting the military to act within the United States in order to determine whether domestic preparedness and response efforts would benefit from greater involvement of military personnel, and if so how."

Adding these initiatives could only complicate relations with Congress, where members of both parties insist that the administration's proposed department is conceptually too unwieldy. A series of House committees, controlled by Republicans, essentially rewrote the Bush plan last week, voting not to move the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and a large part of the Immigration and Naturalization Service to the department.

Mr. Ridge, appearing today before a special House committee that is managing the legislation on the department, said the administration opposed each of those changes and more demanded by lawmakers.

"The president's reorganization is well planned and well thought out, based on input from every level of government, the private sector, the academic community and of course the Congress of the United States," Mr. Ridge said.

He also said the department must have wide-ranging flexibility to move money to different uses as needs arise.

The chairman of the special committee, Representative Dick Armey of Texas, the House Republican leader, told Mr. Ridge flatly that "it's not likely that that's going to happen," but Mr. Ridge said the usual close Congressional oversight could cripple the new department's ability to respond to terrorism.

"We're at war," Mr. Ridge said. "The enemy — if you agree that they're agile, that they'll move and change targets — we ought to be able to give the secretary some flexibility to target some of these resources based on the threat, based on the vulnerability."


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To: Hardy Harhar
indeed, it's not the political party that corrupts... it is the power.

The corruption of the democrat party is the RESULT of the power they have weilded for seventy years. To the degree that pubbies have had power, they have been corrupted as well.

ANY ideology can corrupt if it gains enough power and holds it long enough... look at the "christian" spanish inquisitions and the burning of the anabapatists... POWER corrrupts and distorts all it enables, we must strove to see that it is held by the individual, instead of central governmental bodies in order to be held in check.

The more decentralized power is in its concentration, the more difficult it is to corrupt.

This stuff by bush won't stop or hinder terror... and is getting at something else. One world? Alien Invasion? I dunno, but the drive for a large one world control of every aspect of our lives, is on full throttle.

BUSH is wrong to seek power at this level.


21 posted on 07/15/2002 11:22:44 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Texasforever; Luis Gonzalez
Domestic attacks like Timothy J. McVeigh's on Oklahoma City in 1995 and the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon should be treated as terrorism even if the motives may differ widely, according the study. For that reason, it proposes to make better use of the military to counter domestic threats.

Before today, senior Pentagon officials had repeatedly said that they had no plans to ask Congress to revamp the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which sharply restricts the military's ability to participate in domestic law enforcement...

But the Bush plan says that "the threat of catastrophic terrorism requires a thorough review of the laws permitting the military to act within the United States in order to determine whether domestic preparedness and response efforts would benefit from greater involvement of military personnel, and if so how."

Uh-oh.




22 posted on 07/15/2002 11:29:51 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: MissAmericanPie
And uphold the Posse Comitatus, if the military can be used to protect borders in the Balkins, but not in their own country, then they have no business running American streets.

You see now, the Pandora's Box?




23 posted on 07/15/2002 11:31:50 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Surely as at 1945 September every damn piece of legislation and executive order necessary exists.They even had beach patrols which caught the bad guys.
24 posted on 07/15/2002 11:31:54 PM PDT by Crazymonarch
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To: Sabertooth
Should make the “militarize the borders” screamers happy. As I said before, be careful what you ask for.
25 posted on 07/15/2002 11:32:28 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Should make the “militarize the borders” screamers happy. As I said before, be careful what you ask for.

And the "Power to the President, no questions asked" crowd as well...

An interesting coalition of folks that are just asking for it.




26 posted on 07/15/2002 11:36:52 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
It only makes sense unless you believe for some reason that the "government" is about to put us all in internment camps for some unknown reasons. Why do you need the military involvement if it is not to start a mass round up of illegals? You need it because the only way for it to happen is to declare martial law, and take control of all media. There will be no TV pictures of the mass round up and no people on the street to witness it. Those screaming for "deport them all" or "shoot 'em down" may just get their wish however they may not want to break curfew to watch the fun. Then when it is done there may be other little things that need cleaning up.
27 posted on 07/15/2002 11:45:17 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
It only makes sense unless you believe for some reason that the "government" is about to put us all in internment camps for some unknown reasons. Why do you need the military involvement if it is not to start a mass round up of illegals? You need it because the only way for it to happen is to declare martial law, and take control of all media.

I don't really know what to make of it... I just don't see Bush expelling Illegals, let alone using the military to do it. This stood out: "(the study) proposes to make better use of the military to counter domestic threats."




28 posted on 07/16/2002 12:02:34 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
A police state. Hey, Sabertooth, is your "tin foil hat" meter running?
29 posted on 07/16/2002 12:07:32 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
A police state. Hey, Sabertooth, is your "tin foil hat" meter running?

I'm redoing the electrical system.




30 posted on 07/16/2002 12:09:59 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: FreedomFriend
Define police state. Then tell me why the "gubement" wants to impose it on a docile population to begin with? Why rock the boat?
31 posted on 07/16/2002 12:15:12 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
You read the article, didn't you. It mentioned that they may create their own force to blow up targets (in hopes to avoid catastrophe). This is going over the line, in my opinion. However, if they do something, are they going to blame it on Saddam or Al Quaida? Just a question.
32 posted on 07/16/2002 12:18:05 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
You read the article, didn't you. It mentioned that they may create their own force to blow up targets (in hopes to avoid catastrophe). This is going over the line, in my opinion. However, if they do something, are they going to blame it on Saddam or Al Quaida? Just a question.

They could do that anyway and without this new "power". It seems to me that if the "guberment" were on track to kill us all and then blame it on Sadam they wouldn't be making public their "power" to do so.

33 posted on 07/16/2002 12:24:03 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Pokey78
Seal those borders yet George? All the rest is expensive hocus when they can simply walk across.
34 posted on 07/16/2002 12:24:08 AM PDT by brat
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To: Texasforever
Perhaps, but what about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, not to mention Guantanomo Bay?
35 posted on 07/16/2002 12:27:37 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend; brat
Perhaps, but what about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, not to mention Guantanomo Bay?

Yes and both needed no special authority to carry out. I am sticking with my own conspiracy theory on this one. The administration is ready to take a real shot at illegal aliens under the color of martial law. In my opinion it is the only scenario that makes logical sense. The precedents that will be set are frightening but that is going to make many on this forum that are crying for sealed borders and mass deportations very happy…..for a while.

36 posted on 07/16/2002 12:33:28 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Crazymonarch
indeed... and why givem anymore? nix this.
37 posted on 07/16/2002 12:34:38 AM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: Texasforever
Hey, I've been as loud as any about sealing the borders, but I never supported the idea for having troops on AMERICAN STREETS. Support is only at the border for such an experiement. That's why a beef-up in the border patrol, internal security division, is needed for internal roundups. The military shouldn't be used to patrol the streets. It's too Orwellian.
38 posted on 07/16/2002 12:36:55 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
That's why a beef-up in the border patrol, internal security division, is needed for internal roundups. The military shouldn't be used to patrol the streets. It's too Orwellian.

There is no other logical reason. The BIG PROBLEM, according to many around here are the 8 to 14 million illegal aliens we have in the country right now. There is NO way that the INS can round them up and deport them with 2000 field agents and local LEO's have blown off Bush by refusing to arrest them. The administration may have decided that once the round ups have begun and word gets out that the borders will seal themselves and many will be heading south instead of north.

39 posted on 07/16/2002 12:45:22 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: FreedomFriend
"However, if they do something, are they going to blame it on Saddam or Al Quaida?"

That's been their MO so far....

40 posted on 07/16/2002 12:45:37 AM PDT by hoodwinkedcowan
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