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Bush Is to Propose Broad New Powers in Domestic Security
The New York Times ^ | 07/16/2002 | ELIZABETH BECKER

Posted on 07/15/2002 9:03:38 PM PDT by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, July 15 — The Bush administration's broad new proposal for domestic security, to be made public on Tuesday, calls for sweeping changes that include the creation of a top-secret plan to protect the nation's critical infrastructure and a review of the law that could allow the military to operate more aggressively within the United States.

Tom Ridge, the president's adviser on domestic security, has been at work on the plan for more than eight months — beginning long before the proposal for a new department of homeland security, which was hastily announced last month as Congressional investigators were making public new information about intelligence lapses before Sept. 11.

The administration could impose some changes on its own authority, while others would require Congressional action. Dozens of the recommendations are familiar initiatives that the government has tried to enact for years but are newly popular to help reach the goal of preventing terrorist attacks within the United States. Many fall outside the scope of the proposed new department.

Given the difficulties the president's proposal for the department is facing in Congress, the idea that this new plan could be enacted as written is questionable.

These are among the administration's proposals:

¶Establish national standards for state driver's licenses.

¶Create an "intelligence threat division" in the new department that uses what the plan calls "red teams" of intelligence experts. These teams would act like terrorists and plot attacks on vulnerable new targets in the country so that means of preventing such attacks can be devised.

¶Increase inspections of international shipping containers before they leave foreign ports and as they cross United States borders.

¶Ensure that government agencies can communicate with one another, something successive administrations have tried and failed to do.

The plan also calls for the first thorough inventory of the country's critical infrastructure — both public and private — followed by a secret plan to protect it. The inventory would include, for example, highways, pipelines, agriculture, the Internet, databases and energy plants.

"That's one of the big points," said a senior administration official, who provided a copy of the plan to The New York Times. "The whole society is vulnerable with hundreds, thousands of targets we have to protect, but the most important stuff we do won't be released."

In a letter accompanying the plan, also provided by the official, President Bush said that the federal, state and local governments and private companies should share the responsibility for — and the $100 billion annual cost of — combating what he called the greatest threat to the United States this century. It was a sign that full financing for his plan would not come from the federal budget.

"We must rally our entire society to overcome a new and very complex challenge," Mr. Bush said.

The senior official said that the idea for the homeland security department actually grew out of the secret deliberations on this broader plan. But the official insisted that the administration actively fought Congressional efforts to legislate a new department throughout the winter and spring because the White House wanted to keep deliberations secret.

"People were asking for a strategy, but we weren't ready," the senior official said. "We announced the department first because we had finished that part of the study."

Congressional Democrats are openly criticizing the White House for having been too closed and secretive in the development of what amounts to the largest reorganization of government in 50 years.

Democratic lawmakers on the House Appropriations Committee issued a statement today complaining that the legislation for the security department was written by White House political appointees without proper consultations. "That kind of secretive and arrogant behavior has produced a plan that, in many areas, is poorly constructed and complicates Congress's ability to produce a good final bill," said David Sirota, a committee spokesman.

The plan begins with an acknowledgment of the difficulty of defining the problem: "Terrorism is not so much a system of belief, like fascism or communism, as it is a strategy and a tactic — a means of attack."

Domestic attacks like Timothy J. McVeigh's on Oklahoma City in 1995 and the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon should be treated as terrorism even if the motives may differ widely, according the study. For that reason, it proposes to make better use of the military to counter domestic threats.

Before today, senior Pentagon officials had repeatedly said that they had no plans to ask Congress to revamp the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which sharply restricts the military's ability to participate in domestic law enforcement.

In a hearing before the Senate Appropriations Committee in May, Senator Ted Stevens, Republican of Alaska, asked Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld whether the administration was hoping to make changes in the act.

"No, Senator, we're not," Mr. Rumsfeld replied. "We're not looking for any long-term or short-term change with respect to Posse Comitatus."

But the Bush plan says that "the threat of catastrophic terrorism requires a thorough review of the laws permitting the military to act within the United States in order to determine whether domestic preparedness and response efforts would benefit from greater involvement of military personnel, and if so how."

Adding these initiatives could only complicate relations with Congress, where members of both parties insist that the administration's proposed department is conceptually too unwieldy. A series of House committees, controlled by Republicans, essentially rewrote the Bush plan last week, voting not to move the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and a large part of the Immigration and Naturalization Service to the department.

Mr. Ridge, appearing today before a special House committee that is managing the legislation on the department, said the administration opposed each of those changes and more demanded by lawmakers.

"The president's reorganization is well planned and well thought out, based on input from every level of government, the private sector, the academic community and of course the Congress of the United States," Mr. Ridge said.

He also said the department must have wide-ranging flexibility to move money to different uses as needs arise.

The chairman of the special committee, Representative Dick Armey of Texas, the House Republican leader, told Mr. Ridge flatly that "it's not likely that that's going to happen," but Mr. Ridge said the usual close Congressional oversight could cripple the new department's ability to respond to terrorism.

"We're at war," Mr. Ridge said. "The enemy — if you agree that they're agile, that they'll move and change targets — we ought to be able to give the secretary some flexibility to target some of these resources based on the threat, based on the vulnerability."


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1 posted on 07/15/2002 9:03:38 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
"No, Senator, we're not," Mr. Rumsfeld replied. "We're not looking for any long-term or short-term change with respect to Posse Comitatus."

No, "we" want it to stay on the books just as it is. We just want carte blanche to ignore it when "we" feel like it. I mean, our guys will be in power forever, right?

2 posted on 07/15/2002 9:09:36 PM PDT by m1911
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To: Pokey78
""the threat of catastrophic terrorism requires a thorough review of the laws permitting the military to act within the United States in order to determine whether domestic preparedness and response efforts would benefit from greater involvement of military personnel, and if so how." "

Share appropriate intelligence and help to secure our borders.
That fits within the present Posse Commitatas.

Review it all you want- learn it well!
Cause you and congress will have a long row to how to change it.

BTW: This NYT press-girlie doesn't like President Bush much does she?

3 posted on 07/15/2002 9:11:17 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
CHECK THIS ONE OUT
Bush to Seek New Powers in Homeland Security Plan

Adam Entous
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/reuters20020715_562.html

4 posted on 07/15/2002 9:13:38 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: mrsmith
but I see no sane reason to change posse commitatus.

A large conventional military force is totally asymettrical against a few skulking terrorists. It's not like they're going to take a city and hold out or something. This makes no sense. A battalion would only be useful against citizens. Can't anyone figure there might have been a Reason for passing Posse Commitatus in the first place?
5 posted on 07/15/2002 9:21:12 PM PDT by bloggerjohn
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To: TLBSHOW
"We need to know who is coming into our country, why they're coming into our country, and whether or not they're leaving our country when they say they're going to be leaving our country," Bush said.

And when we know, what will we do? Wouldn't it be simpler and safer to limit the amount of people immigrating to this country until we at least know who's here now? Oops, sorry, maybe I was being too logical...

6 posted on 07/15/2002 9:21:32 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: Pokey78
There will be a speech Tuesday (tomorrow) and we will see how close the NY Slimes is to what the truth is. Probably about 50%, about what you would get by flipping a coin.

7 posted on 07/15/2002 9:23:36 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Pokey78
A determined enemy will be stopped by nothing but wiping him out first. Our border offers a smorgasbord of ways to sneak in... anything that can hide a man. And even if our borders consisted of totally unbreachable walls, we could not stop something from being brewed within our borders short of confining everybody in a rubber room.

How much luck has Israel had at putting an end to suicide bombers, short of pre-emptively stomping on the source of the problem?

8 posted on 07/15/2002 9:23:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: bloggerjohn
And even this NYT democrat can't say that they are trying to change it- much as she would like to.

I'll wait for the actual report, if all it says is they are reviewing it- fine.
Any debate about it will just show it's strength and publicize it ( 90% of the US probably doesn't even know it exists).

9 posted on 07/15/2002 9:29:50 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: m1911
No, "we" want it to stay on the books just as it is. We just want carte blanche to ignore it when "we" feel like it. I mean, our guys will be in power forever, right?

Yep the next DEM POTUS is gonna have a field day with all the new abuses of power this administration has dreamed up and made a way for. The sad part is the GOP by allowing it is taking away any arguement to stop it once the beast is out of the box. When GWB goes out of office and when a DEM goes in the sheeple will realize just how much they have allowed government to take over. Then it may be too late. How can they cry foul when they cheered it on for all the years Bush was in office setting it up? Never ever pass any new law or create any new government position or office without first considering seriouslly the dangers it holds and leads too in our nations future.

10 posted on 07/15/2002 9:32:41 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Pokey78
¶Establish national standards for state driver's licenses.

What the heck is this all about? Are we really to believe that a terrorist gives a hoot whether or not they are driving with a valid drivers license? What about illegal immigrants...they don't have drivers licenses...sounds Orwellian to me.

¶Increase inspections of international shipping containers before they leave foreign ports and as they cross United States borders.

Hmmm, it seems that Bush didn't have a problem easing restrictions on trucks coming into America from Mexico, ironic...

11 posted on 07/15/2002 9:34:32 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: bloggerjohn
This makes no sense.

No, generally it doesn't. The only way I see it making sense is if it all about keeping troops on the borders....ready for illegals and invasion type of activity, jmo.

12 posted on 07/15/2002 9:38:57 PM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: Pokey78
Maybe it's just late, but.....

this is disturbing.

A full inventory? of all "critical" private property?

and a secret plan to protect it?

$100 Billion that will not come from the "federal budget"?

A new "patriotic" tax on everyone, "off the books" of course.....

This has got to be a sick joke.....

13 posted on 07/15/2002 9:46:52 PM PDT by WhiteGuy
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To: cva66snipe
ditto bump
14 posted on 07/15/2002 10:04:34 PM PDT by the crow
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To: Pokey78
I like the national standard on driver's licenses, some of this is really good, but how about cutting off the faucet on immigration? A sensible solution, no immigrants or visa vistors from terrorist nations period.

And uphold the Posse Comitatus, if the military can be used to protect borders in the Balkins, but not in their own country, then they have no business running American streets.

15 posted on 07/15/2002 10:17:04 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: cva66snipe
When GWB goes out of office and when a DEM goes in the sheeple will realize just how much they have allowed government to take over. Then it may be too late.

What makes you think these new excesses of power will only become dangerous in Democrat hands?

Naivety?

16 posted on 07/15/2002 10:20:19 PM PDT by Hardy Harhar
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What makes you think these new excesses of power will only become dangerous in Democrat hands?

Nah, all will abuse power. The GOP , Dems, Constitution Party, Libertarians, Reform, Greenes, ect. That's the way I feel about it. None are above corruption that power tempts them with.

It's a charge to We The People to make certain those we elect are worthy to hold office and if they fail in their oath it's our duty to punish them by withdrawling support {votes} to them.

17 posted on 07/15/2002 10:48:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Hardy Harhar
Now I hope that those who call me Bush Basher will understand where I come from. I don't think I left out anyone's party but perhaps the Communist Party which goes without saying is the end to freedom.
18 posted on 07/15/2002 10:51:23 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: Pokey78
These teams would act like terrorists and plot attacks on vulnerable new targets in the country so that means of preventing such attacks can be devised.

What kind of nonsense is this? Could it be tin foil hat stuff, nah.

19 posted on 07/15/2002 11:13:02 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: cva66snipe
This is some scary stuff. I see it as doing nothing but increasing GOVERNMENT POWER over the citizens of the USA. If they cared about terrorists, they would guard the borders, or increase the border patrol, both internally and on the border. As it now stands, they're letting the whole world come in, and are still allowing visas for middle easterners. These actions speak loud.
20 posted on 07/15/2002 11:18:59 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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