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Before I was just mildly paranoid.... Okay, where's the Xanax?

Add to all of this, I saw on the ABC evening news last night that all new cars will have a "Black Box" exactly like those on airplanes installed (in the air bag sensors) which can also be used to record conversations at some unnamed future date. Right now, it will record only vehicle data like speed, location, braking behavior....etc.

Goodbye civil liberties!

1 posted on 07/15/2002 10:42:59 AM PDT by ExSoldier
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US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies
2 posted on 07/15/2002 10:50:59 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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The program will flop - as it will be immediately deluged with worthless, crank, and even prank tips. It will be of no real use to anybody.

Worried about surreptitious searches of your home? Get a Doberman!

4 posted on 07/15/2002 10:53:50 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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"Citizen ExSoldier, as a duly authorized officer of TIPS, I am directed to place you under arrest for questioning the Divine Wisdom of our annointed monarch, Fuhrer Bush. Further, you have not submitted sufficient homage to the prayer and photo threads of our beloved sovereign. For your crimethink you agree to cede any and all rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. Sign here, please..."

6 posted on 07/15/2002 10:57:08 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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Already posted a few times:

US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies ^
      Posted by bloggerjohn
On Jul 15 8:13 PM with 16 comments


Syndney ^ | July 15, 2002 | Ritt Goldstein
The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups. The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity". Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the Patriot Act, there is potential for abusive, large-scale investigations of US citizens. As with the Patriot...
     
 
US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies ^
      Posted by eshu
On Jul 15 8:05 PM with 26 comments


Sydney Morning Herald ^ | July 15 2002 | Ritt Goldstein
US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies By Ritt Goldstein July 15 2002 The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups. The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity". Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the...
     
 
US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies ^
      Posted by Conservative Chicagoan
On Jul 15 3:57 AM with 3 comments


smh.com.au/ ^ | July 15 | Ritt Goldstein
US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies By Ritt Goldstein July 15 2002 The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups. The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity". Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of...
     
 
US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies ^
      Posted by TLBSHOW
On Jul 15 0:17 AM with 209 comments


smh ^ | 7/15/2002 | Ritt Goldstein
US planning to recruit one in 24 Americans as citizen spies The Bush Administration aims to recruit millions of United States citizens as domestic informants in a program likely to alarm civil liberties groups. The Terrorism Information and Prevention System, or TIPS, means the US will have a higher percentage of citizen informants than the former East Germany through the infamous Stasi secret police. The program would use a minimum of 4 per cent of Americans to report "suspicious activity". Civil liberties groups have already warned that, with the passage earlier this year of the Patriot Act, there is potential...
     

7 posted on 07/15/2002 10:57:38 AM PDT by McGruff
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When the government closes and mans our borders, begin to deport any and all illegal immigrants , checks out all legal immigrants and deporting those who need to be , begins 'profiling' where it is necessary, then I will believe this citizen squad is there for our good. If the government was truly interested in the welfare of this nation, they would be taking the common sense steps that any, any nation concerned for itself would do. Instead we are being, 'Oh, so tolerant', and inviting any and all to come across our borders 'to do the work no one else wants to do'(actually, I suppose that could mean destroying the US).

Until our government begins to act like it is truly interested in this country, I can't see this as doing anything but creating a network of snitches, who will do so for their own personal reasons, and to keep the citizenry in line for the rulers 'who know what they are doing'. (Do they ever!)

23 posted on 07/15/2002 12:21:30 PM PDT by nanny
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I wish we could recruit political spies to tell us about what Clinton has been doing and sending these people to jail. After all, their jurisdiction warrants scrutiny.
37 posted on 07/15/2002 10:10:35 PM PDT by lavaroise
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We've had the Neighborhood Watch program here for 15 years. They have been real good at spotting crack houses, gang activity and the like. What's the big deal? We need more McCain's
42 posted on 07/16/2002 5:11:34 PM PDT by Taxbilly
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We may act as citizens volunteer minute men informants. However if coordinating with friends and colleagues, are we not acting as a citizen militia, in and of itself grounds to be reported to authorities by others?
56 posted on 07/17/2002 11:16:30 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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This kind of culture in action:

Political dissent can bring federal agents to door

| Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

HOUSTON - It was 10:30 a.m. on Nov. 7 when the two men showed up.

Donna Huanca was alone, getting ready to open Houston's Art Car Museum. "They looked like robots," she says.



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Is the FBI acting properly in investigating reports of "anti-american activity?"

She told the men, dressed in dark suits and carrying leather portfolios, that they would have to wait until the doors opened at 11. That was when they flipped out their badges: They were federal agents investigating reports of "anti-American activity" at the tiny art gallery.

To FBI special agent Terrence Donahue and Steven Smith of the Secret Service, it was a routine mission to check out one of the more than 435,000 tips they have received since Sept. 11.

To Ms. Huanca, whose gallery was opening "Secret Wars," an exhibit on US covert operations and government secrets, it was something else. "What's anti-American about freedom of speech?" the docent blurted out.

The incident, which ended after an hour of questioning, represents more than just a disturbing day for one museum staffer. Across the US, growing numbers of Americans are facing similar interrogations - apparently, they say, because they have criticized the government, President Bush, or the war on terrorism.

Not everyone is bothered by the inquiries. Indeed, by responding to a torrent of tips federal agents are doing exactly what many Americans want them to do.

But as the nation mounts a zealous campaign against domestic terror, some observers say federal agencies are walking a delicate line between checking out leads and trampling on free speech.

"If the FBI is investigating art exhibits at museums, then the line has been crossed," says First Amendment scholar David Cole at Georgetown University in Washington. "The FBI should investigate any credible leads where federal criminal activity may be undertaken. But it should avoid investigating any political conduct."

The rise in doorstep inquiries reflects, in part, a new law-enforcement reality. Suddenly, it may seem hard to know who might be the next to steer a plane into a building. It also reflects raw math. There are simply many more tips to check.

"Remarks made toward the president in an antagonistic way are checked out by the Secret Service. That's always been the case," says Jill Spillman, an FBI agent detailed to the Justice Department. "The FBI checks out [possible] domestic terrorism." She says the people visited are under no obligation to answer questions and are not necessarily viewed as suspects.

But Attorney General John Ashcroft's post-September policy is that each tip be looked into. While not every tip leads to a face-to-face visit, surprise encounters with federal agents are leaving some Americans feeling their privacy has been violated - and that their speech has made them targets of official scrutiny.

For example, A.J. Brown, a student at Durham Technical Community College in North Carolina, faced 40 minutes of grilling by two Secret Service agents and a Raleigh police officer in her doorway (she wouldn't let them come in, and they had no search warrant). By her account, they said they were investigating a tip that she had "un-American material" in her apartment. From the doorway, they took particular note of a poster of George W. Bush holding a noose. It read: "We hang on your every word," referring to his unflinching support of the death penalty as governor of Texas.

Then there's San Franciscan Barry Reingold, who was awakened from his afternoon nap by a buzzing intercom on Oct. 23. He called down to the street to find out who it was. "The FBI," was the response. He buzzed the two men up, but decided to meet them in the hall. "I was a little bit shaken up," says Mr. Reingold. "I mean, why would the FBI be interested in me, a 60-year-old retired phone company worker?"

When they asked if he worked out at a certain gym, he realized the reason behind the visit. The gym is where he lifts weights - and expounds on his political views.

Since Sept. 11, the sessions have been heated. Once, he recalls, "discussion turned to [Osama] bin Laden and what a horrible murderer he was. I said, 'Yeah, he's horrible and did a horrible thing, but Bush has nothing to be proud of. He is a servant of the big oil companies, and his only interest in the Middle East is oil.' "

Some fellow weightlifters called Reingold a disloyal American. One, apparently, called the government.

So it was that two agents were standing in his hall. "They said, 'You know you are entitled to freedom of speech.' And I said, 'Thank you. That ends our conversation.' " When Reingold closed his door, he heard one of the agents say: "But we still need to do a report."

As the overheard comment suggests, the FBI and Secret Service view many of these checkups as a routine, almost innocuous, part of their job.

Still, the task has taken on fresh relevance after the terrorist attacks.

"Just because we [talked] to ABC Flight School doesn't mean they did something wrong," says Robert Doguim of the Houston FBI. "But how irresponsible of us would it be if we didn't talk to someone?"

He says the Art Car Museum and its exhibit (which had been planned months before Sept. 11) were deemed "not dangerous" after the agents' visit.

But to Huanca, the face-off seemed unnecessary and intimidating. She says the G-men puzzled over each art installation, sneering and saying things like, "What's that supposed to mean?"

Drawing conclusions from cases like this is tricky, since the reality could involve more, or less, than either side tells the media. But Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington, finds the anecdotal evidence deeply troubling.

"All of this speaks to the new McCarthyism, where political dissent is being equaled to treason," Mr. Steinhardt says. "It's a very frightening trend: that people are doing nothing more than expressing the very freedoms that we are fighting to preserve - and find themselves with the FBI at their door."

59 posted on 07/18/2002 11:54:02 AM PDT by Blackyce
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The government doesn't have to ask me to report anything truly suspicious. I'd do it in a second, all I need to know is where to call. Americans have done this during every war we've ever fought, including the Revolutionary War.

I remember just after Sept 11, several months after: I had finally found a copy for sale of a book on the Arabs by David Pryce-Jones (now re-issued), found it at a bookstore in India, of all places! And the price was very low, and the shipping cost very low.

When the postman brought the package to my door, he looked at me very, very closely. It flustered me for a moment. Usually the postmen prop my packages behind the screen door and just leave them. This man wanted a look at me. Finally I realized what was going on, and told him that it was a book and how I came to be ordering it from a shop in India. He was obviously then perfectly satisfied and left.

I was not offended. In fact, it was a reassuring experience. I don't think alert citizens in any job is a bad idea.

76 posted on 07/22/2002 3:35:48 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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Snitch Corps: Ashcroft's today. Reno's tomorrow.
80 posted on 07/22/2002 9:34:47 AM PDT by a merkin
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After WWII the Eastern European citizenry plunged into the darkness of mistrust, paranoia, and clandestine meeting places to write or speak with their known friends because of the restrictive regulations implemented by the communist governments. One particular country comes to mind, Romania. There, one couldn't trust his or here own father or sister let alone neighbor for fear of being discovered writing against the communist system or speaking in terms contrary to the establishment or the interest of the people. As a result Romania has yet to pull herself out from the economic woes and place herself on to a path of progress. Even if they were to implement the perfect system people must have trust in it and each other, otherwise, fogettabotit! This is or should I say, will be a mistake.
81 posted on 07/22/2002 10:52:17 AM PDT by SQUID
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