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Blame Islam
National Review Online ^ | 12 July 2002 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 07/12/2002 8:36:32 PM PDT by Kermit

July 12, 2002 4:15 p.m.
Blame Islam
Just not all of it.

Prompted by the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, a cautious debate is taking place in Saudi Arabia's closed society over intolerance toward non-Muslims and attitudes toward the West that are now viewed by some as inspiring unacceptable violence.

his is how a story in Friday's New York Times begins.

"The debate appears to represent a significant shift in a society whose Wahhabi branch of Islam tends to make such questioning taboo," Times reporter Neil MacFarquhar continues. "Apparently a small group of intellectuals, academics, journalists and religious scholars are quietly suggesting that change is needed."

"We have to confront a lot of things that we thought were normal," Khaled M. Batarfi told the Times. Batarfi is the managing editor of Al Madina, a daily newspaper which, according to the Times, is a pioneering and progressive newspaper.

"Before Sept. 11, it was just an opinion, 'I think we should hate the others,' " Batarfi says. "After Sept. 11, we found out ourselves that some of those thoughts brought actions that hurt us, that put all Muslims on trial."

I see. It's not the hating, per se, which is the problem. It's that darned blowback the hating creates. If we could just hate "the others" (Read: Christians, Jews, Hindus, and everybody else who isn't a Muslim) without creating so many hassles for Muslims well, then, everything would be fine.

Now, remember Mr. Batarfi is what amounts to a bleeding-heart liberal in Saudi Arabia. He just wants to hate without inconvenience. Saudi "conservatives" think such views are heretical because, hey, what's hating good for without the killing? Hating without killing, that's no good. You might as well kiss your sister if you're gonna hate Jews and Christians but not kill them. I mean, come on. What's the point?

For example, the Times reports, views like Mr. Batarfi's "remain controversial." When a bunch of Saudi intellectuals issued a manifesto raising the idea that there might be "common ground with the West" they were, according to the Times, "subjected to withering rebuke by those who accept the Wahhabi notion that Islam thrives on hostility toward infidels."

"You give the false impression that many people condemned the war against America," one critic exclaimed on a popular website. "But the truth is that many people are happy declaring this war, which gave Muslims a sense of relief."

Sheik Hamad Rais al-Rais, an elderly blind scholar, complained that the manifesto's sympathy for the victims of September 11 "debased Islam," in the words of the Times, for forgetting to point out that jihad is a central tenet of Islam. "You cry for what happened to the Americans in their markets and offices and ministries and the disasters they experienced," wrote the sheik, "and you forget the oppression and injustice and aggression of those Americans against the whole Islamic world."

(One quick parenthetical question: Why does it seem like so many Islamic scholars, particularly the nasty ones, are blind? Does the Koran say that you can't ingest vitamin A? I'm sure I'm missing something, but rabbis and Franciscan monks don't seem to go blind more than the general population.)

Note the sheik's invocation of the "whole Islamic world." More on that in a moment.

Another popular (and presumably sighted) sheik who died last year, issued a famous fatwah which explains that Muslims who live abroad should "harbor enmity and hatred for the infidels and refrain from taking them as friends."

Now, some Saudis like to split the difference between the conservatives and the liberals, explaining that the distinction between the hating and the killing is a false choice, as Bill Clinton might say. You can hate all you like without any blowback whatsoever. As a professor of Islamic law explains to the Times. "Well, of course I hate you because you are Christian, but that doesn't mean I want to kill you."

OKAY, DON'T BLAME ISLAM, BLAME WAHHAB
I could go on all day about this Times story. It reads almost like an Onion parody. Read it yourself and then imagine an identical article being written about Nazi Germany. "'Until the Normandy invasion many here believed that hating non-Aryans was just an opinion, but now some of us feel that our genocide and conquests are hurting Germans, putting all Germans on trial,' said Piter Thorman….Others feel that sympathy for the massacred Jews directly contradicts the teachings of Adolph Hitler…." Etc. Etc.

But I want to talk about John Derbyshire's wonderful essay, "Don't Blame Islam." I highly recommend it to everyone. Derb — as we who barely know him call him in print — makes a largely persuasive argument for, well, not blaming Islam. A central point to his argument is that it's fundamentally unfair to blame a religion — any religion — for the actions of the people who misinterpret it. The Jewish Bible has all sorts of smiting and wrath in it. But — outside of Israel's neighborhood — my people haven't done much smiting lately. And our wrath usually takes the form of lawsuits or boycotts of Chinese restaurants. The Christian Bible preaches love and turning the other cheek and yet Christians have strayed away from the text more than a couple times in their history. The Koran was once the defining text of a great and relatively tolerant civilization. The fact that it is now used to justify all sorts of horrors speaks to the problems of various Arab societies. To unfairly sum-up Derb's argument, religions don't kill people, peoples kill people.

My response is, well, yes and no. As Derb is no doubt far more aware than me, there are very real differences between Islam and Christianity. Islam was a religion of the sword. Perhaps the leading definition of jihad, historically speaking, is a holy war to retake or defend Muslim lands. If you die while defending the soil, you will get your virgins and the rest of the goodies behind curtain #2. This, it seems to me, is a religious doctrine especially suited to empire-building. Call me crazy.

Meanwhile, Christianity was born in suffering. A Christian martyr, at least during Christianity's formative centuries, died because he refused to relinquish his faith not because he refused to relinquish some territory.

Any non-Muslim can still recognize that Muhammed was an indisputably great man according to any definition of what makes someone a great historical figure. He was wise and brave and intelligent and many other wonderful things. He changed the world faster and more significantly than anyone in human history, Jesus and all the prophets included. But, unlike Jesus, Muhammed was also a general. He ordered the beheadings of his enemies. He took the wives and children of the vanquished and gave them to his men as booty. Jesus didn't do that sort of thing. I'm no expert, but I think the most violent thing he did was knock over some tables and kick some money changers in the butt.

These differences are hardly insignificant. Regardless, I take Derb's point and largely agree. Islam need not be a hateful religion and for untold millions of decent people around the globe it most certainly isn't that. I think every Muslim I've actually met has struck me as kind and generous. And, since Islam will not go away whether we want it to or not, we'd better get busy working with the good guys in the Islamic world to make sure the bad guys don't win.

Which brings me back to Saudi Arabia and where I might disagree with Derb. He doesn't discuss Wahhabism or the Saudis in his essay so I'm not sure where he stands.

I can accept the argument that no truly successful and enduring religion can be fundamentally evil. Religion doesn't work that way. But "enduring" can be a long time. And history is full of examples of short-lived evil or dangerous religions. The Thuggees — from whence the word "thug" is derived — were an evil cult which glorified murder and robbery, for example.

There have been any number of cults which have claimed to be the "true faith" of a larger, dominant religion. Many of these cults produced thriving, healthy denominations: Shia Muslims, Lutherans, Lubavitch Jews etc. And sometimes these cults were just plain dangerous and terrible. And sometimes, I suppose, these cults started batty and dangerous and mellowed over the years.

I covered a lot of this territory in my "Islam Needs a Pope" column, but I think serious people need to address the fact that while Islam may be innocent of many of the charges leveled against it, Wahhabism is guilty of all charges. It is a cult which is breeding terrorists every day. Saudi Arabia is the Muslim equivalent to the Soviet Union in the 1930s. They are brutally repressive at home and fanatical proselytizers abroad. All around the globe, the people who put the lie to "Islam means peace" are attending Wahhabi mosques. Afghanistan under the Taliban was a satellite of Saudi Arabia, politically and ideologically. In Pakistan, Indonesia, and the U.S. it is Saudi money and Saudi (Wahhabi) ideology which is the threat. That New York Times article is just a drop in an ocean of evidence, but it says everything you need to know. Islam doesn't necessarily preach hate any more than Christianity does. But under Wahhabism hate is just as much of an obligation as praying (and yet Saudi apologists continue to call them "moderates" because they sell us oil).

Apparently Wahhabis resent being called Wahhabis because they claim that they are simply the most faithful Muslims. To call them Wahhabis suggests they are merely a branch — or cult — of what is supposed to be a unified, monolithic, faith. Wahhabi clerics claim to speak for all Muslims. And they are not Islamic Derbyshires. They say all Muslims are at war with all Christians and Jews because Christians and Jews are most certainly to blame.

Meanwhile, the Saudis are working very hard to ensure that they do in fact speak for all Muslims. They are spending millions trying to convert the whole Muslim world to the "true faith." And if they are successful, if the world's Muslims all embrace the Wahhabi way then Derb will have a much harder time saying Islam is not to blame. So we better get to work helping the Muslims Derb is talking about before it's too late.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: freedom; hatred; islam; terrorism; tolerance; wahhabism
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1 posted on 07/12/2002 8:36:32 PM PDT by Kermit
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To: Kermit
Apparently Wahhabis resent being called Wahhabis

If they read what they are called my many folks on this site, they would really have something to resent. Such delicate sensitive chaps these folks are.

2 posted on 07/12/2002 8:38:30 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Kermit
Perhaps Mr. Goldberg, if he has such a problem with radical Muslims, should reconsider his views against Pat Buchanan; and in favor of mass Third World immigration.
3 posted on 07/12/2002 8:39:54 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Kermit
You can only deal with the Wahabbis by being as ruthless as Ghenghis Khan was with their predeccesors the assasins.
4 posted on 07/12/2002 8:44:05 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Kermit; Marine Inspector; sleavelessinseattle; 2Trievers; swarthyguy
Wasscally Wahabbi Ping!
5 posted on 07/12/2002 8:51:37 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Phillip Augustus
Any non-Muslim can still recognize that Muhammed was an indisputably great man

Thats just suck-up sh*T....... Mohammed was/is evil.....he aims to take Christs Glory for himself and put Jesus as a mere prophet ........ Jesus Christ is Lord now and forever........To Hell with Mohammed and his followers.

6 posted on 07/12/2002 8:53:01 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Kermit
Mr GOLDBERG

Islam is the enemy. All you needed was a paragraph for that.
7 posted on 07/12/2002 8:55:35 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Kermit; Brad's Gramma
An Afghani woman gets in the face of a Bush supporter in Minneapolis on Thursday. Now you tell me, who looks like the peaceful one in this picture?


8 posted on 07/12/2002 8:55:58 PM PDT by rintense
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To: Kermit
" ... some of those thoughts brought actions that hurt us. "

Yeah, well now it's too late. They let the (evil) genie out of the bottle. It'll take them 2-3 generations to even make a dent in the problem. And another 2-3 generations before non-Muslims can accept that Islam is a "religion of peace".
9 posted on 07/12/2002 8:57:07 PM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: PsyOp
Ok, no more Islamoborg.

Wahhaborg

10 posted on 07/12/2002 9:00:43 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: SouthernFreebird
I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I think you responded to me by mistake. I certainly would not agree with the author that Muhammed was a great man.
11 posted on 07/12/2002 9:03:50 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: rintense
The expression on the face of the woman on the left tells it all. Most of us are repulsed by these people.
12 posted on 07/12/2002 9:05:28 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Kermit
The Koran was once the defining text of a great and relatively tolerant civilization.

Ummm Ok, but that was before the Sharia. If we can rid Islam of the Sharia maybe it would become that., but that's like telling the Pope to stop all of that Catholic stuff.

13 posted on 07/12/2002 9:06:07 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: Kermit
I had a conversation with a Christian palestinian recently. His comments were intriguing.

He defended the palestinian people against the generalization that all of them are militants and terrorists.

"Not true", he said, "most of them are secular".

I asked him to clarify, as it sounded as though he was saying that the non-religious palestinians are not the problem, but that the militant come from the "religious" sector.

He agreed that Islam is the biggest problem (though he was careful to point out it is not the only one).
14 posted on 07/12/2002 9:06:29 PM PDT by watchin
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To: rintense
she should of .....

ok I will be good
15 posted on 07/12/2002 9:06:32 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Phillip Augustus
Yea, I was responding to the article.....I don't always pay attention to whom it post to.Sorry
16 posted on 07/12/2002 9:07:34 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: TLBSHOW; All
I'd suggest grabbing that picture, along with the explanation of when and where it was taken and email to everyone you know....and ask them to do the same.

I'm sorry, but this is so wrong.
17 posted on 07/12/2002 9:11:13 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma
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To: Kermit
I never hated Muslims. Now I think they are lying, untrustworthy, back stabbing creeps that need to learn that to every action there is a reaction.
18 posted on 07/12/2002 9:11:43 PM PDT by Dustbunny
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To: rintense
Looks like sh'e got some nasty breath to..... lol

That girl has patience cause if that b*tch got up in my face like that she'd of walked away with those U.S. flags sticking out of her frikking eyes !
19 posted on 07/12/2002 9:11:53 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Phillip Augustus
Mr. Goldberg is no Ann Coulter. I still can't figure
when, how and why WF Buckly passed his site to the 'bunch'
now running it.
20 posted on 07/12/2002 9:32:59 PM PDT by duckln
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