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Pentagon Paints Picture of Menacing China (Drudge Siren is on)
reuters ^ | 7/12/2002 | Jim Wolf

Posted on 07/12/2002 2:02:14 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

Pentagon Paints Picture of Menacing China

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Defense Department has concluded that China is honing forces aimed at bringing Taiwan to its knees, if that is what is needed to unite it with the mainland, while keeping U.S. aircraft carriers at bay, Pentagon ( news - web sites) officials said Friday.

The assessment is detailed in a report to Congress on Chinese military power due for release late Friday. It represents the first such comprehensive U.S. look at the issue since President Bush ( news - web sites) took power in January last year.

"The report is factual and sober," said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Jeff Davis, a Pentagon spokesman.

Detailing what the survey calls Beijing's coercive approach, officials said China was on track to deploying 600 ballistic missiles opposite Taiwan by 2005.

Growing at a rate of 50 per year in recent years, these missiles appeared designed to sow fear and undermine Taiwan's will to fight if China opted to use force, said the officials, who spoke on condition they not be named.

Under President Bill Clinton, the Pentagon's annual assessments of Chinese military power emphasized China's inability to take and hold Taiwan by conventional force such as an amphibious invasion.

Bush's Pentagon, on the other hand, said China's submarine force gave it the potential to blockade Taiwan while using Russian-built "Sunburn" missiles deployed on Sovremmeny-class destroyers to deter any U.S. response.

In 1996, Clinton sent two U.S. carrier battle groups to the region to signal support for Taiwan after China fired missiles into the sea off Taiwan's two main ports. China regards Taiwan as a rogue province that must be united with the mainland, if necessary by force.

The first assessment of Chinese military power by Bush's Pentagon has been delayed repeatedly. It was initially due on March 1, 2001, before the Sept. 11 attacks sparked the U.S.-led war on terrorism in which China has cooperated.

Shirely Kan, an expert on China's military at the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, said Beijing's growing military clout posed challenges for the region, not just for Taiwan.

"The challenge posed by a rising China and its military modernization has not changed despite the antiterrorism war after 9/11," she said.


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To: Stingray51
"As for finding our carriers, US carrier boosters decry that as nearly impossible, but I think that is a bold and reckless assumption. "

Ditto that. Until a way is discovered to "cloak" a carrier, it will be visible by satellite observation.

41 posted on 07/12/2002 5:45:42 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Black Agnes
Communist China is a near perfect fascist police state, well funded by Wal-Mart and others. Any pesky homegrown movement would be crushed and buried with no suriving witnesses. T-Square made a mockery of reform as thousands of university students were killed. Officially, nothing happened. Mao and friends killed tens of millions in their Long March conquest as much because they could as they needed to rid the countryside of capitalists. The corruption remained and thrived. Power is all that matters.
42 posted on 07/12/2002 5:47:46 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: pabianice
You say China isn't advanced enough to be a threat but I don't know. I know where I work, we've been dropping U.S. companies and other companies in other nations besides China as suppliers in favor of companies in China because of their excellent quality (metal products). It has always seemed to me that improvements at the low tech end of the scale are indicative of improvements at the high tech end of the scale. When you don't pay your workers much, a lot can be spent on technological improvements. These improvements would be adaptable to the military.
43 posted on 07/12/2002 6:25:58 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Jeff Head
BUMP
44 posted on 07/12/2002 6:34:59 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Rebelbase
SPECULATION INTENSIFIES THAT CHINESE LEADER MAY NOT GIVE UP POWER AS PLANNED... DEVELOPING...

Matt Drudge
45 posted on 07/12/2002 6:39:31 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Jeff Head
Your insight is appreciated.

Can I ask you, the Sunburn missile seems pretty scary to me. Do we have anything that can knock it out? I know you can't divulge your sources, but this thing scares me. The last second zig-zag built in seems to be designed to foil our target and acquisiton (sometimes slow) computers.

Also, a lot of people think that Asians are all the same. I know Japan HATES China, as Korea hates Japan. If the balloon goes up, what do you think would happen? I know, super open-ended, but I don't have your books yet in front of me (but will!)

Thanks for indulging me. :) I really appreciate your take.
46 posted on 07/12/2002 7:04:26 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: MonroeDNA
Sino responsible for 911. read china white papers
47 posted on 07/12/2002 8:04:33 PM PDT by Soul Citizen
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To: TLBSHOW
how bout: this is a way to divert their resources into the military industrial complex, as was done with the soviets.

stir in a little social unrest with a bit of economic manipulation, and, well....x factor.

48 posted on 07/12/2002 8:09:45 PM PDT by galt-jw
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To: TLBSHOW
Pretty stupid.

We'll hand them their asses....

49 posted on 07/12/2002 10:48:35 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: Jeff Head
Don't mind the novel, but China is not a realistic threat.

They might want to be.
They might dream of it...

But we'll kick their ass all over the map, if it comes to it.

50 posted on 07/12/2002 10:54:11 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: TLBSHOW
Ashcroft ought to indict Loral and major Rat campaign contributor Bernie Schwarz for supplying the technology to China that made this possible.

You can bet a rat AG would do it if the situation was reversed.

The GOP is so clueless about how to fight to win.

51 posted on 07/12/2002 10:54:19 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: hchutch
The ChiComs could throw close to 100 subs at us and Taiwan. We are BADLY outnumbered.

Noisy diesel tin cans that would be destroyed in the first 24 hours....

52 posted on 07/12/2002 10:55:31 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: MonroeDNA
IMHO, the SS-N-22 Sunburn is dangerous. There is a shipped launched and an aircraft launched variant. At low levels is where it is most dangerous, flying in excess of Mach 2, allowing it to get closer, faster before we can do a lot about it.

Once spotted, the AEGIS system can engage it, but its no sure thing and there is little time to make multiple engagements. If enough of these missiles are launched, they could theeoretically saturate an AEGIS defense. That is why most carrier battle groups now have more than one AEGIS capable ship with them ... both Ticonderoga Cruisers and Arliegh Burk destroyers.

The SS-N-26 is equally dangerous with an even longer range (300 km vs 250 km) and it can be ship, air, land or sub launched.

The Russians have spent considerable effort in deigning weapons to counter our carriers. These missiles can do so if enough are fired, and (here's the big "if") if they can locate our CBG.

The closer we have to come to an engagement of the sort of Taiwan, the more easily our locations can be predicted. But even thn, the AEGIS defense system and the defense in depth provided for our carriers will be a tough nut to vrack for missile technology.

That is why in my book seriesthe Chinese put so much effort into the "super" supercavitating weapons technology. IN the books these more conventional methods are used as well by the belligerent nations. I have them using conventional version (most of these were deisgned to carry small nukes) because of the desire for these belligerent nations (which do not include Russia) to avoid playing to our trump card in any nuclear exchange.

53 posted on 07/12/2002 10:56:26 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: NormsRevenge
Great!!! Now they can have an umbrella of mid and long range missiles for use in Taking Taiwan Back ..

Thanks Bill, U Illustrious Bastard .. Yur not Quite the AntiChrist but yur damn close

Wow. I'm stunned. It never ceases to amaze me how the neos and Bushies can give their guy a pass on every bit of bad news that hits this nations since January 21, 2000.

I won't bother reminding you that it was Bush, not Klinton, that gave China PERMANENT MFN TRADE STATUS and also approved of China's entry into the WTO. I guess you could come up with some bull$hit theory as to why it is Clinton's fault though.

54 posted on 07/12/2002 11:01:15 PM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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To: DAnconia55
One on one, tactically, (and short of technological or asymetrical deployments that surprise us ... which they may be capable of) ... I agree.

But, strategically, from an overall perspective, I disagree.

I believe they will only come at us obliquely as we are seriously tied up elsewhere. Like the Mid East and Korea at the same time. If those things happen ... then watch for China to jump in and at that time, their added presence will be a serious threat.

55 posted on 07/12/2002 11:03:01 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
But, strategically, from an overall perspective, I disagree.

I believe they will only come at us obliquely as we are seriously tied up elsewhere

That happened once before.
Ask the Japanese how they liked the results.

56 posted on 07/12/2002 11:12:27 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
>>Ask the Japanese how they liked the results.

Well, China is satisfied with the result of Korean War.

57 posted on 07/12/2002 11:14:23 PM PDT by Lake
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To: Jeff Head
I'm not arguing with to argue.

I agree that China is a getting a bit too big for their pants....
But, We have other pressing issues... Like multiple million Muslims wanting us all dead.

China also doesn't have a great record outside their own borders. A fight really isn't in them.

Let them attack our Pacific fleet.
It'll be the last thing they ever do....

58 posted on 07/12/2002 11:15:42 PM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
Oh, I agree. I didn't say they would win.

But they would pose a serious threat. We lost a lot of good people, and were seriously threatened while putting the Nazi and Imperial genies out of their misery.

I believe such an occurance would pose an even greater threat today, but would eventually have the same outcome. That's what the book series is all about.

59 posted on 07/12/2002 11:17:02 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: TLBSHOW
"The challenge posed by a rising China and its military modernization has not changed despite the antiterrorism war after 9/11," she said"

And all this thanks to American Corporations giving them the capital to do it. Wonderful. I wonder how many are facing the US as of this minute?

60 posted on 07/12/2002 11:26:34 PM PDT by brat
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