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To: Phaedrus; f.Christian
"Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the mind as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person."

Please read the sentence above carefully. There is only one possible meaning, although it that meaning is plainer in the context of the entire statement.

The "theories of evolution" to which the Pope objects are those and only those which "consider the mind as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter." He does not object to all theories of evolution. He notes, elsewhere in his statment, that there are many theories of evolution and that there is increasing evidence from many fields of study that something of that sort happened.

His objection is that in certain schools of thought or certain theories of evolution, man might be thought of as merely another sort of animal. I suspect he's being careful to indicate that only man, in the Catholic view, has a soul and a mind, and that it is incorrect to view those as just a natural by-product of having evolved further than other animals. Man is special to God.

But he specifically does not state that belief in evolution per se is against Catholic teaching. He could have done so much more quickly and easily if that were his intention.

853 posted on 07/16/2002 7:21:46 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs; Right Wing Professor
"Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the mind as emerging from the forces of living matter, or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter, are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person."... The 1996 Magisterium

Please read the sentence above carefully...

I did, Gumlegs, as is obvious from my post. Why would you think otherwise?

The "theories of evolution" to which the Pope objects are those and only those which "consider the mind as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter."

Well, Yes, that's how the Magisterium reads. No news here. It is also true, however, that the Evols who post here are uniformly and unanimously in the Materialist Atheist camp, and the Pope's message is therefore addressed directly at them.

His objection is that... I suspect...

Your interpretation is completely unnecessary. The Magisterium is intended to, and does, speak for itself more than adequately. It's laughable that you would presume to "explain" things to me but I do believe in free speech, however inane.

Right Wing Professor intended to allow the impression that the Pope and the Catholic Church were in accord with the "theory" of Evolution (see his post), as have other Evol posters in recent months. The Church is not and it is thus a lie, Gumlegs, pure and simple.

855 posted on 07/16/2002 9:04:46 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: Gumlegs
What? Moderater deleted posts? What did I miss?
938 posted on 07/16/2002 5:14:45 PM PDT by balrog666
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