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Scientific American threatens AiG : Demands immediate removal of Web rebuttal
AIG ^ | 2002/07/11 | AIG

Posted on 07/11/2002 9:44:50 AM PDT by ZGuy

The prominent magazine Scientific American thought it had finally discredited its nemesis—creationism—with a feature article listing ‘15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense’ (July 2002). Supposedly these were the fifteen best arguments that evolutionists could use to discredit the Bible’s account of Creation. (National Geographic TV also devoted a lengthy report to the article.)

Within 72 hours, Dr Jonathan Sarfati—a resident scientist at Answers in Genesis–Australia—had written a comprehensive, point-by-point critique of the magazine article and posted it on this Web site.

So Scientific American thought it would try to silence AiG with the threat of a lawsuit.

In an e-mail to Dr Sarfati, Scientific American accused him and AiG of infringing their copyright by reproducing the text of their article and an illustration. They said they were prepared to ‘settle the matter amicably’ provided that AiG immediately remove Dr Sarfati’s article from its Web site.

AiG’s international copyright attorney, however, informed Scientific American that their accusations are groundless and that AiG would not be removing the article. Dr Sarfati’s article had used an illustration of a bacterial flagellum, but it was drawn by an AiG artist years ago. AiG had also used the text of SA’s article, but in a way that is permissible under ‘fair use’ of copyrighted materials for public commentary. (AiG presented the text of the SA article, with Dr Sarfati’s comments interspersed in a different color, to avoid any accusations of misquoting or misrepresenting the author.)

Why the heavy-handed tactics? If AiG’s responses were not valid, why would Scientific American even care whether they remained in the public arena? One can only presume that Scientific American (and National Geographic) had the ‘wind taken out of their sails.’ Dr Sarfati convincingly showed that they offered nothing new to the debate and they displayed a glaring ignorance of creationist arguments. Their legal maneuver appears to be an act of desperation. (AiG is still awaiting SA’s response to the decision not to pull the Web rebuttal.)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; crevolist; evolution
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To: Dominic Harr
Yet you hesitate to answer the question.

Nahhh...he hesitates in constructing complete sentences....

241 posted on 07/11/2002 2:26:52 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: Saturnalia
LOL!
242 posted on 07/11/2002 2:27:31 PM PDT by JediGirl
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To: berned
I copied the top paragraph from YOUR post.

You didn't come within a tousand feet of answering the simple questions I posed to you. Care to try again?

Yes, that's why I called it *my* point.

For the record, I don't know why Jesus would believe such things. Perhaps he was all of those things you named (delusional, etc). You & I certainly don't know as we were not alive then and had no contact with him. All we're left with is a portion of a book written well past his death by his followers. Hardly an objective source of info.

Ta-taa. My day's over.

243 posted on 07/11/2002 2:29:07 PM PDT by gdani
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To: All
I have to say, I think we have a winner.

From now on, consider starting a discussion with a Creo by asking, "Do you agree that species evolve to adapt to their environment?"

They seem to, it appears.

Douglass Adams gave a keynote speach at a conference I attended a few years back, and gave this anecdote:

"I was sitting in a plane with a farmer, and he told me he was having trouble with bugs. He said he used spray on them, but the spray was less and less effective every year. I told him that the bugs that lived were the ones that were resistant to the spray, and they were passing that resitance on to their offspring.

He said that sounded exactly right, what do they call that? I said, 'evolution'.

The farmer said, "Oh, I don't believe in *that*"

Interesting, yes?

These folks *do* believe in evolution.

244 posted on 07/11/2002 2:29:23 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Dominic Harr
Creation/God...Christianity---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH!

Are you hard of reading...thinking---comprehending!

245 posted on 07/11/2002 2:30:15 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: JediGirl
Nahhh...he hesitates in constructing complete sentences....

:-D

I enjoy that type of poetry, when the goal is to evoke emotions.

But when trying to actually communicate?

246 posted on 07/11/2002 2:30:35 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Right Wing Professor
Re: f.Christian

He is that crazy. He's been around awhile and only makes sense when copy/pasting the work of others.
247 posted on 07/11/2002 2:31:56 PM PDT by Saturnalia
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To: f.Christian
Are you hard of reading...thinking---comprehending!

You believe in the evolution of species to adapt to their environment.

You, too, are an 'evo'.

Interesting to no end, yes?

248 posted on 07/11/2002 2:32:18 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: berned
Gee, I guess I just think my rather limited education in theology makes me less qualified to express an opinion, than the few hundred thousand very capable scholars who've devoted their lives to it, who were able to read the Bible in Aramaic or Greek or Latin, and who knew a great deal more of its historical circumstances. You are indeed fortunate to be able to be so much more expert than the Doctors of the Church, with apparently so much less education. Given your expertness, I confess myself totally unqualified to debate you.
249 posted on 07/11/2002 2:33:08 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Now the block caps come out. You are a disruptor, aren't you? No one's really this crazy.

Welcome to the Age of Reason, long may it reign.

250 posted on 07/11/2002 2:33:21 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: JediGirl
It's the complete sentances that get him in trouble and he know it.

EBUCK

251 posted on 07/11/2002 2:33:48 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Saturnalia
I have to be honest, I don't think his word problems are a product of mental madness.

I think he's just a really bad writer.

He's trying to use poetic punctuation tricks with words which evoke emotion. The only problem is, that kind of wordplay really degrades the 'comminication' ability of the written statement.

He's just trying to be e.e.cummings, and missing very badly.

252 posted on 07/11/2002 2:35:24 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: gdani
I wrote:

According to the Gospels, JESUS believed that Adam and Eve were real, actual people who were created just the way they were portrayed in the Genesis account. Jesus believed that Jonah was in the big fish, etc etc etc. Jesus totally accepted the Old Testament accounts as being a literal intrepretation of the truthful, inerrant word of God. Was Jesus a liar? Was He stupid? Misinformed? Ignorant?

Who do YOU say Jesus was, gdani -- just a man?

Then YOU gdani, replied:

For the record, I don't know why Jesus would believe such things. Perhaps he was all of those things you named (delusional, etc).

Jesus said

Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

253 posted on 07/11/2002 2:37:14 PM PDT by berned
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To: Dominic Harr
Yet he continually explains the reason we love to send "fruitcakes" to other people but loathe to receive them.

EBUCK

254 posted on 07/11/2002 2:37:36 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: ZGuy
Thanks.
255 posted on 07/11/2002 2:37:42 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: EBUCK
explains = illustrates
256 posted on 07/11/2002 2:38:11 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: Saturnalia
Keep running...

possibility-probability through your head---

see what goes in(reality)...

and what goes out(fantasy).

Keep trying!

257 posted on 07/11/2002 2:38:54 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: dead
Me too.

Everytime somebody says something pro or con on the issue the troglodytes on both sides come out snarling.

We won't know the truth til were dead, right 'dead'?

258 posted on 07/11/2002 2:40:45 PM PDT by JimVT
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To: dead
Me too.

Everytime somebody says something pro or con on the issue the troglodytes on both sides come out snarling.

We won't know the truth til were dead, right 'dead'?

259 posted on 07/11/2002 2:41:14 PM PDT by JimVT
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To: EBUCK
Yet he continually explains the reason we love to send "fruitcakes" to other people but loathe to receive them.

I think it's an interesting.

These folks believe that species do evolve to adapt to their environments, but will argue that they don't believe in evolution until the day they die.

Very interesting. Not quite sure what to make of it.

260 posted on 07/11/2002 2:42:48 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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