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Scientific American threatens AiG : Demands immediate removal of Web rebuttal
AIG ^ | 2002/07/11 | AIG

Posted on 07/11/2002 9:44:50 AM PDT by ZGuy

The prominent magazine Scientific American thought it had finally discredited its nemesis—creationism—with a feature article listing ‘15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense’ (July 2002). Supposedly these were the fifteen best arguments that evolutionists could use to discredit the Bible’s account of Creation. (National Geographic TV also devoted a lengthy report to the article.)

Within 72 hours, Dr Jonathan Sarfati—a resident scientist at Answers in Genesis–Australia—had written a comprehensive, point-by-point critique of the magazine article and posted it on this Web site.

So Scientific American thought it would try to silence AiG with the threat of a lawsuit.

In an e-mail to Dr Sarfati, Scientific American accused him and AiG of infringing their copyright by reproducing the text of their article and an illustration. They said they were prepared to ‘settle the matter amicably’ provided that AiG immediately remove Dr Sarfati’s article from its Web site.

AiG’s international copyright attorney, however, informed Scientific American that their accusations are groundless and that AiG would not be removing the article. Dr Sarfati’s article had used an illustration of a bacterial flagellum, but it was drawn by an AiG artist years ago. AiG had also used the text of SA’s article, but in a way that is permissible under ‘fair use’ of copyrighted materials for public commentary. (AiG presented the text of the SA article, with Dr Sarfati’s comments interspersed in a different color, to avoid any accusations of misquoting or misrepresenting the author.)

Why the heavy-handed tactics? If AiG’s responses were not valid, why would Scientific American even care whether they remained in the public arena? One can only presume that Scientific American (and National Geographic) had the ‘wind taken out of their sails.’ Dr Sarfati convincingly showed that they offered nothing new to the debate and they displayed a glaring ignorance of creationist arguments. Their legal maneuver appears to be an act of desperation. (AiG is still awaiting SA’s response to the decision not to pull the Web rebuttal.)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: creation; crevo; crevolist; evolution
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To: f.Christian
Different league--team...swept series!

LOL. Pretty good f.christian.

1,361 posted on 07/24/2002 4:08:57 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla
Jesus is Lord--savior!
1,362 posted on 07/24/2002 4:10:15 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: dighton
I remember that. What was it that finally got oxi pulled, though?

I mean, if it was just "schtick getting old", I can think of a few more candidates...

1,363 posted on 07/24/2002 4:16:03 PM PDT by general_re
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To: PatrickHenry
Place ... MARKER!!!
1,364 posted on 07/24/2002 4:34:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: dighton
Crazy article.

oxi-nato is a state of mind..
1,365 posted on 07/24/2002 4:45:03 PM PDT by a_Turk
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To: dighton; Orual; general_re
rat-fink quisling evolutionists, show some respect!

mr spike memorial bump.

1,366 posted on 07/24/2002 5:00:20 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: f.Christian
Have you ever suffered any brain damage? Maybe in a car accident?
This is a serious question and I'm not going to mock you with this. I'm really sorry if something like that happened to you but I'm just curious why you always post such incoherent stuff.
1,367 posted on 07/24/2002 5:05:40 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: Right Wing Professor
Re your long-delayed #1357, our conversation is over, Right Wing, with my challenges and questions not adequately answered.
1,368 posted on 07/24/2002 5:07:06 PM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: dighton; aculeus; general_re
mr.spike~~~~~please~~~please~~~~come back. Your~~~fans miss~~~~~you!!!~!
1,369 posted on 07/24/2002 5:16:46 PM PDT by Orual
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To: f.Christian
You evo blowhards blow so hard I'm surprised you don't bust your own bubble---pop!

GOTCHA!!!

That post made sense (even if it was nonsense)!

But I don't know if it validates the million monkey premise or the medication overdose theory. Your call ...

1,370 posted on 07/24/2002 5:20:39 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: rmmcdaniell
My religion? Which religion is that? Perhaps you'd better simmer down and read my posts before you go off half-cocked and spouting absurd assumptions. Once you're done, come talk to me. But yes, of course I acknowledge that there is something to debate. Duh.
1,371 posted on 07/24/2002 5:32:43 PM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: Dominic Harr
The previous state may be 'lost', but it is certainly possible for either this species or another species to be 'selected' back into the same, or a very similar, state, isn't it?

Consider that any major evolutionary event such as speciation or novel innovation is accomplished with the genetics available to the organism at that time. These events move the organism into a new adaptive state. From this state, the organism is free to adapt further, even back to the niche it came from, but it is now working with a new set of available genetics with different selective pressures. It can't go back along the path it came from because it's no longer available.

1,372 posted on 07/24/2002 5:34:18 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
Of course it is. It's not probable, but possible- definitely. At least in theory ;)
1,373 posted on 07/24/2002 5:38:40 PM PDT by That Subliminal Kid
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To: That Subliminal Kid
Theoretically, you could shrivel up into an embryonic state and crawl back where you came from. Each one of the chemical reactions in your body is reversible.
1,374 posted on 07/24/2002 5:51:44 PM PDT by Nebullis
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To: Nebullis
I think we basically agree. Exact reversal is so unlikely as to be inconceivable.

But 'macro' evolution's effects are reversible.

The more changes you stack one upon another, the less likely it is that an exact reversal will happen. But it is still possible.

1,375 posted on 07/24/2002 6:24:28 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Phaedrus
Re your long-delayed #1357, our conversation is over, Right Wing, with my challenges and questions not adequately answered.

Well, I'm afraid camping with my son takes precendence over countering nonsense on FR. As a matter of fact, last week in Montana we saw Columbian and Uinta ground squirrels, another pair of closely related species which probably drifted apart after the last glaciation.

You creationists have been a sad disappointment. You try to debate biology, but you don't have any first hand knowledge of biology. If, say, one of you was able to discuss the relationships of American passerines from a structural or plumage or behavioral standpoint, we would at least be able to discuss cold, hard indisputable facts, rather than tracts and straw men. But none of you seem to know even the rudiments of descriptive biology. Lands sakes man: you don't need to accept Darwin to have a working knowledge of American zoology; Audubon managed .

I've answered your questions, and in your heart you know that. The problem is, I've answered in terms of real, living facts about real living animals; you can't find 'rebuttals' in your anti-evolution tracts, and you don't have the knowledge or experience to argue from first principles.

One thing that Darwin and Wallace shared was an encyclopedic knowledge of nature. To be able to form an intelligent perspective on the natural world as a whole, you have to learn about the natural world as a whole. It takes a lot of time, and a lot of effort. And I don't mean college courses, I mean getting out and watching and studying birds and animals and plants and fungi and whatever. I've always found it a pleasure, so I don't claim credit for any particular virtue in doing so, but I don't have any respect for opinions that are not similarly educated. Same reason I despise most environmentalists; for all their supposed concern about nature, I doubt 90% of them could name 20 living native land animals. If they loved it as they say, they'd know more about it.

1,376 posted on 07/24/2002 7:00:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Nebullis
No process is ever reversible. Sorry. Reversibility is a theoretical ideal to which a few systems tend, which thermodynamicists use to make the physics simpler. Living systems are in general far from reversibility.
1,377 posted on 07/24/2002 7:02:27 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Well said.
1,378 posted on 07/24/2002 7:04:08 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: PatrickHenry
Placemarker. (My self-search page is getting cluttered.)
1,379 posted on 07/24/2002 7:11:43 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: narby
Just a point to ponder:

There is easily several orders of magnitude more physical evidence that evolution happened than Jesus even existed.

Now, how come some people have such faith in the latter, yet doubt the former?

1,380 posted on 07/24/2002 7:13:50 PM PDT by Chad Brick
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