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A Bush Hater's Poll
Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/10/2002 11:27:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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641 posted on 07/11/2002 11:09:24 AM PDT by thepitts
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To: Jim Robinson
#8 Illegal Aliens is one issue I feel strongly about and wish the President did too. No it is not racism to want people to come here legally and those of you who scream that it is are dishonest.

#13 I wish Bush would veto bills he doesn't believe in such as CFR.

I still support Bush and plan to vote for him in 2004.

642 posted on 07/11/2002 11:09:48 AM PDT by Columbine
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To: Grampa Dave
In 63 years, I have developed a fair ability to detect racism by those who claim that they are not racist.

What does that ability tell you about ardently pro-Bush folks in this forum who race-bait and falsely charge racism as a first, middle, and last resort?




643 posted on 07/11/2002 11:09:53 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Jim Robinson
I would not identify myself as a Bush hater. To support this assertion, I would offer that I do not vote for those that I hate and I voted for Daddy Bush in 1988 and in 1992. I voted for GWB in 2000 and will almost certainly vote GWB in 2004. My vote for Bush in 1992 was paradoxically the best and worst vote that I ever cast. It was the best vote because I knew that I did not have an electoral hand in electing the lowest man ever to hold our highest office. It was the worst vote because I knew that it was an endorsement of man who had pandered to the lowest common denominator by offering a pledge that he was not man enough to keep.

But my problem with GWB is related to the characteristics that he shares with Daddy Bush. He has not blatantly broken the central promises that he was elected on as his Daddy did. But his Daddy thought that he could pick and choose the issues on which he would be judged and re-elected on. GWB came to office with a solid plan.

Quietly restore the dignity to the office which was so soiled by Der Schlickmeister to satisfy Repubicans and independents.

Pass a tax cut to give red meat to his conservative base and rectify his father's wrong.

Pass an education bill in the Democratic tradition to woo the soccer moms.

Appoint a culturally diverse group to his administration with an emphasis on wooing Hispanics.

And lastly engage Saddam Hussein in a confrontation that would end in deposing Saddam and finishing something many felt his Daddy did not properly settle in the first place.

All these plans were based on the following premises.

The economy would be manageable and stable. That we had no serious threats and would not be drawn into war. And lastly the Middle East would not require a lot of attention.

None of those premises have held up. But Bush did handle himself very well in the time of crisis, thanks in part to Secretary Rumsfield who is heads and shoulders above any of Bush's other appointments. Bush to his credit has also come to the conclusion that Arafat is just as much a source of terrorism as Saddam. The problem is that Bush cannot avoid confronting the problems with the economy and corporate crime. He could present the head of Osama, Saddam, and Yassir on the same plate to the American people, and as great a victory as that would be, his party will have to run on the economy in 2002 and he will have to run on the economy in 2004.

His speech on Wall Street was terrible, not because of what he said or did not say, but because you could read that this was not an issue that he wanted any part of. It is an issue that is not of his own making, but a war with Saddam will not displace it.

I am not sure what Bush can do with the economy and the markets, but he had better think of something, because the way things are spiralling downward it will become the main issue and he needs to speak and act in such a way that people have as much confidence in him to deal with the economy as they do to lead and prosecute the war on terrorism. As Daddy Bush found out, Americans are self-centered and materialistic and a military victory will not soothe their fears of losing their substance and their livelihoods.

His Daddy's Presidency did nothing to help advance the Republican Party or conservatism, unless you interpret Bush's failed re-election bid and the resulting two years of Clintonism as the catalyst which scared the voters into overthrowing 40 years of corrupt and treacherous Democrat rule over the People's House.

I hope GWB can do more than merely hold office and actually advance the Republican Party and conservatism, so far I am not convinced that he can.

644 posted on 07/11/2002 11:11:09 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: BruceS
"But the judiciary is where the real battle is at the moment. We need conservative, strict constructionist judges and justices who will rule on what the Constitution really means

Here's your dream.

Bush's court jester

645 posted on 07/11/2002 11:11:44 AM PDT by Uncle Bill
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To: Jesse
Yeah, I'm familiar with that allegory. We're not in the water. No heat on the surface. You've called Bush "Stupid" here many times. If a stupid man can subject you to tyranny ... how clever does that make you?
646 posted on 07/11/2002 11:12:02 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: EternalVigilance
Would you like me to ping Jim to your post so you'll be sure he read it? Very nice, indeed.
647 posted on 07/11/2002 11:12:28 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Uncle Bill
"Here's your dream"

Uncle Bill, is that a self generated comment?

648 posted on 07/11/2002 11:14:28 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
What is your action plan?

Well Arnefufkin, easy to answer, My "action/Plan" is just this..

Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!

I do this by Not electing RINOS, By campaigning for "GRASS ROOTS". I do this by not bending LEFT and Moving left and calling it moving right. I do this by being involved, By supporting people who actually are "GRASSROOTS". I thought that was all of our intentions....? Is it not yours?

649 posted on 07/11/2002 11:14:59 AM PDT by Japedo
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To: ArneFufkin
Hey, Arne, it was late last night, but I was wondering if you'd had a chance to think abut this question that I asked you?

"... we let in a bunch of Illegals, and then there's the inevitable "targeted amensty." Under Clinton's Section 245(i) in the 90s, we "changed status" on over a million Illegals. Every one of them counted against legal immigration quotas, thereby displacing law-abiding immigration candidates who were following the rules and waiting their turns.

Is that what you want when you say "Welcome to America?"



650 posted on 07/11/2002 11:16:17 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Jim Robinson
I am not sure why you titled this thread "bush haters", but then I saw your post where you said you were now a bush-bot so maybe that explains it.

Why can't conservatives not agree with a lot of what bush has done so far without being called haters?

651 posted on 07/11/2002 11:16:30 AM PDT by thepitts
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To: Japedo
That's an inaction plan. What are you doing specifically to motivate the "grassroots"? Who are you supporting? Tell us about this individual.
652 posted on 07/11/2002 11:17:24 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Marine Inspector
Then that is a problem.

It appears we are neglecting the Mexican border in favor of rounding up terrorists. We should still be taking care of the illegal alien issue as well.
653 posted on 07/11/2002 11:18:07 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: rdb3
Thanks for your reply. You and I are on the same page.

As to deporting illegals; I think a lot could be accomplished with out increasing police powers - if local police would simply enforce existing immigration laws when they come upon illegal aliens.

The federal government should help to facilitate this. Regrettably, if the federal government didn't want ILLEGAL aliens here, they wouldn't be here in the first place.

654 posted on 07/11/2002 11:18:33 AM PDT by Barnacle
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To: B Knotts
I do not want illegal immigrants of any color or any nation or any religion in America.

Living in California I see too much of the anti illegal alien push aimed at the illegal Mexicans.

I don't care if they are from Canada, GB, Euro Trash Nations, Mexico, Russia, Africa, China, the South Pacific, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Land, or where ever. If they are illegal or here to suck up our tax $'s as so called legal immigrants, send them home. That includes all ages from 100 to 1 day old.

Those who are here legit, work and want to become Americans and don't hate America/Americans should stay unless they are linked with terrorists or those who abet terrorism.
655 posted on 07/11/2002 11:20:29 AM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Askel5
Well, we know Bush is "the devil quoting scripture". So I guess you are right.

I know Christians who counseled him, and I am so sure you are wrong, I can't express it. What your angle is, is your business, whether you are a satanist yourself, or anti-christian, or just decieved, or other. But I know that whatever you write, it can be dismissed.

656 posted on 07/11/2002 11:20:30 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ArneFufkin
Dude, why are you so hostile and so ad hominem?

I voted for W.

I stood in a rally in the rain for hours in December 2000 in support of W.

I set off fireworks when Kathy Harris certified the Florida EC votes in January 2001.

I had every hope that he would be a reasonably good conservative. Not perfect, but good.

I had every reason to believe that, based on his behavior as a candidate and a Governor of Texas.

What I have seen him do, vis a vis globalism, illegal immigration, Medicare, the Palestinians, the so-called War on Terror, the Right to Life issue of cloning, and his spineless interactions with the Rats in spite of high polls and political capital, is disappointing, to say the least.

And FR is where these things should be talked about.

Your ad hominem stuff just brings your liberalism into focus.

Not to mention your pathologic conformism.

Bush has problems, no doubt, and so does the post-Reagan GOP.

The party seems to be cultivating RINOs of the Bush type, and it has led to loss of conservative power in the Nation. Remember X41? I do.

It might happen again, and we might relive the curse of a Clinton-type eight-year reign. I certainly don't want that.

I'm sorry for offending you, but the points I raise are valid.

I just don't want to worship my political leaders, as you do. I want to speak my mind about them.

657 posted on 07/11/2002 11:21:09 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Jesse
Very well put.

This is exactly what Bush does, knowingly, and it's what makes him a most formidable tyrant.

Charming, but still a tyrant.

658 posted on 07/11/2002 11:22:40 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Jim Robinson
#8, how about a million conservatives march on washington demanding immigration reform
659 posted on 07/11/2002 11:24:12 AM PDT by sonofron
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To: Jim Robinson
Okay, I'm getting to this thread late, but here goes...

1,4,5,6,8,9 (way too hard...he needs to butt out of their affairs and let 'em turn the tanks loose!), 13-CFR(!!!!!!), lack of guts to use his veto power and bully pulpit to advance a conservative agenda, backing down on a plan to fix Social Security (incidentally, the year 2030, when SS is projected to go broke, happens to be the very year I turn 65...boy, it really gives me a warm fuzzy feeling to think that I get to pay into the system my whole life and not draw a dime), more.

Should he be re-elected? I won't vote for him again, so it really makes no difference to me if Bush, Klinton 2, Kerry, Dasch-hole, or whomever wins. Heck, both the Dims and the Pubbies are driving us to Socialism, just the Dims would get us there faster. I'd rather hit the wall ASAP so we can get about fixing the mess while I'm still young enough to react to it and help out.

Who would I like to see win in 2004? No one running or threatening to run gets me excited. Maybe Michael Savage or Sean Hannity...or maybe Tancredo Fan and I should form a ticket. Hmmm...

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

660 posted on 07/11/2002 11:24:16 AM PDT by wku man
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