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Cops, Firefighters Forced to Learn Spanish
NewsMax.com ^ | July 10, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 07/10/2002 12:57:16 PM PDT by Schatze

Police officers and firefighters, sworn to serve and protect, sometimes find it difficult to communicate with the Spanish-speaking victims they're trying to rescue. But the growing demand for emergency responders to communicate in Spanish is "political correctness run amok," according to some conservatives.

"If a fireman or a policeman or someone happens to speak the language and can help someone, more power to them," said Jim Boulet, Jr., the executive director of English First, an organization dedicated to making English the official language of the U.S.

"But [speaking Spanish] is a courtesy, it's not a legally enforceable right," Boulet said.

However, according to Dr. Sam Slick, president and CEO of Command Spanish, Inc., "the country's largest provider of occupational Spanish training," teaching emergency responders to communicate in Spanish fills a "very important need."

According to Slick, the United States has millions of either Spanish-only speakers or those that are "limited English proficient," which he defined as "primarily Spanish speakers with a very small amount of English."

"How do you attend to those needs in any kind of conceivable way?" Slick asked.

Command Spanish offers clients, including "many local, state, federal and private agencies" a curriculum that is "workplace specific," Slick said.

"We teach firefighters how to control fires and crowds and save people's lives at a fire scene, but we don't teach them fruits and vegetables," Slick said. "We don't teach them how to arrest people, because firemen don't arrest people. We teach them only what they need to know."

In some cases, Slick said it's mandatory for emergency responders to learn Spanish.

For example, Slick said, the State of Texas mandates that its police officers learn to communicate in Spanish as a requirement for their intermediate police certification. Command Spanish offers customized Spanish courses to both the Texas Department of Criminal Justice and the Texas Probation Academy for an undisclosed fee.

"It generates an awful lot of money," Slick said of Command Spanish's local, state and federal government contracts.

Records Closed

When asked just how much money Command Spanish earns from its government-funded contracts, Slick said "those records are closed," assuring CNSNews.com that "It's a very lucrative business."

"Some of the money being spent for all of this mandatory translation would buy a ton of English classes," English First's Boulet said. "The government is sending the message, 'If you come to America, don't bother to learn the language. We'll tell you everything you need to know.'"

Russ Bergeron, a spokesman for the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, explained that there is "no law which requires an individual - even if they do acquire a functional ability to read, write and speak the English language - there's no law that requires them to use English.

"In terms of our people having to have an ability to speak Spanish, I think the need for that is obvious," Bergeron said. "If you can't speak their language, then obviously it becomes very problematic from a law enforcement standpoint."

Roy Beck, the executive director of Numbers USA, a public policy group in Washington that studies the annual numbers of legal and illegal immigration, wants to know why only the Spanish-speaking immigrants get this "extra consideration" from the police and firefighters.

"In every city, there are dozens of immigrant languages being spoken. In some cities we're talking about 120-140 languages," Beck said. "All these other people are being really ripped-off."

Tim Richardson, a senior legislative liaison with the National Fraternal Order of Police, said the current preference for Spanish stems from the fact that it's the second most spoken language in the United States.

"In general, I think [learning Spanish] is going to make the officer a more valuable person to his community, so it's a good thing," Richardson said.

But Richardson said local and city police departments should be cautious when considering mandatory Spanish courses, especially if the order is coming down from the federal level.

Richardson has no objection to such a mandate if "it's a decision reached by the state and funded and the officer is not forced to buy his own Spanish lessons.

"You're, in a sense, arming that officer with that tool," Richardson said of teaching police officers Spanish.

Richardson said police departments should first determine their personnel and equipment needs before spending money to train several or all officers in a second language.

"I think it's probably, in many cases, unrealistic to expect every officer to be bilingual," Richardson said.

Copyright CNSNews.com


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To: agarrett
For some reason the Chinese I've known and worked with didn't really speak English very well. They understood it far better than they spoke, and when I was supervising an engineering group a few years ago, where we had four Chinese on staff, there were some amusing lapses in communication from time to time.

Phillipines, my experience has been they tend to learn English in school from an early age. Vietnamese, either they never learn it till they come here or their English pedagogy must be terrible there. They tend to be the toughest to understand, and to be understood by.

As I said before, English is typically taught in the schools in Latin America. The biggest problem with Mexico, however, is that so few of the rural kids get much more than a few years of education. They just don't think it's important there, compared to the need to go to work to earn a living for the family, etc. Much as it was in frontier America back 150-200 years ago.

When these people come to this country, as so many do, they are ill-equipped in many ways to deal with our culture.

One of the interesting, though sad, things that happens very often here in southeast Texas, for example, is that many Mexican immigrants are often hit by cars trying to cross busy thoroughfares.

Where they come from, the fastest vehicle they will ever see is a bus or an occasional truck traveling on unpaved roads. They are simply not used to the concept of "traffic" and don't have a feel for how fast a REALLY fast-moving vehicle can come upon you, they try to cross a street and *splat!*

We have probably not had as uneducated and backward a people immigrating en masse to the U.S. since the Sicilians a hundred years ago. The Irish from the mid-1800s are similar.

61 posted on 07/10/2002 4:45:54 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: agarrett
she has a somewhat amusing tendency to get gender pronouns wrong...

That's funny.    =;^)

I'll bet it's fun times at your place at Thanksgiving.

62 posted on 07/10/2002 4:47:13 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: Illbay
If the fireman can't get any sensible information out of anybody, it's the same situation as if he comes up to a house and either there's nobody in sight or the only people in sight are passed out already. The fireman knows what to do in either case, so he does it. If it's "shrug and squirt", then that's what it is. And if there are charred remains of children and puppies inside, well, that happens and will continue to happen even when there's no language problem. That's "acceptable", I guess, that people die in fires despite best efforts.

I suppose it is arguable that in this hypothetical case the victims did not do enough to help themselves to survive.

63 posted on 07/10/2002 4:58:42 PM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: stuartcr
You missed the point, which is that the immigrants should learn to speak English. They want to reap the fruits of America, and I have no problem with that -- I hope they succeed beyond their wildest dreams. Asking them to learn English is a small price to pay.

We must have a common language if we are to communicate; speaking different languages in one country contributes to Balkanization.

64 posted on 07/10/2002 6:53:56 PM PDT by Schatze
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To: Illbay
Its easy to see why you start your handle with an "I".. Its all about Illbay. Get a life---outside of yourself.
65 posted on 07/10/2002 6:59:37 PM PDT by luvmysuv
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To: Illbay
is that many Mexican immigrants are often hit by cars trying to cross busy thoroughfares.

Here too --and some pro-illegals actually suggested stop signs be put up on I-10 for the Mexicans who were running over the Rio Grande and then over I-10 because we shouldn't expect them to be used to our Interstates. No one liked dodging a dozen Mexicans on their way to work and worse running over some.

66 posted on 07/10/2002 7:07:07 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Schatze
The melting pot is melting down and being replaced by the melting olla and the melting wok.
67 posted on 07/10/2002 7:09:18 PM PDT by Consort
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To: jiggyboy
The fireman knows what to do in either case

I'd rather have a competent and strong fireman rescuing my family than a weak but multilingual one. We wouldn't expect them to learn sign language before they can save a deaf person. They also rescue babies who can't speak any language.

68 posted on 07/10/2002 7:10:10 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Illbay
Agree with your sentiments. True story. We got a call on a multiple vehicle wreck on the interstate. I, unfortunately do not speak Spanish. Multiple patients, not enough rescuers. During quick triage I look into one of the vehicles, see several people, and ask if anyone needs medical assistance. Everyone shakes their head no. I proceeded to other vehicles. During secondary triage, found three people in vehicle needing medical treatment, and I'm talking closed head injuries, broken ribs.

None of the occupants spoke English, and had, in fact, been shaking their heads indicating they did not understand me. Fortunately, no one died because of this, and all were discharged from the hospital and fully recovered.

I'm not smart enough to solve the problems of the world, and I strongly believe that everyone coming to this country should learn English. However, my job is to save lives and protect property. Any tool that helps me to achieve that goal is worth while, and in Texas, you need to be able to speak Spanish to work with many of the people who are injured or need your help.

69 posted on 07/10/2002 7:13:22 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: FITZ
You made an excellent point I did not think about.

My concern was that a misunderstanding could be fatal to the law enforcement officer or firefighter. I view having them learn Spanish as a means of protecting them, both on the street and possibly in the courtroom.
70 posted on 07/10/2002 7:22:30 PM PDT by hchutch
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To: Illbay
Pouge Mahon Ya Bollacks and GTFYCVQ....

The Irish...? You Ba$>ard! (I'm Assuming your male) LOL

71 posted on 07/10/2002 8:02:06 PM PDT by ARA
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To: Richard Kimball
I strongly believe that everyone coming to this country should learn English. However, my job is to save lives and protect property.

That's all I'm saying. Thanks for saying it better than I could.

72 posted on 07/10/2002 8:12:35 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Schatze
You have to speak other languages to know whether or not to spray water, agua, eau, wasser, vann, a água, l'acqua, etc. on the fire. Otherwise, everything will get hosed up.
73 posted on 07/10/2002 8:39:12 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Illbay
No reply?
74 posted on 07/11/2002 7:52:19 AM PDT by TXFireman
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To: Illbay
Okay, so here's your "dream scenario":

Alarm comes in to station, Fire & Rescue 1 & 2 respond. Within minutes of the alarm first going out, they arrive on the scene, to find nobody sitting on the curb...

So how does your silly little "dream scenario" play out now???

75 posted on 07/11/2002 8:03:20 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: been_lurking
You come up with your own scenarios, and I'll come up with mine. Mine happens to include people sitting there in a daze. Firemen will tell you this is pretty common.
76 posted on 07/11/2002 8:06:51 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
But if nobody is sitting there in a daze, then the language spoken or not spoken by the firemen is pretty much irrelevant, no???
77 posted on 07/11/2002 11:02:55 AM PDT by been_lurking
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To: been_lurking
It is my observation that typically emergency personnel train to prepare for problems that could reasonably come up. They don't worry about the politics of it, as you do. They don't try to tell themselves "it won't happen," because too often, it does.
78 posted on 07/11/2002 12:33:41 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Schatze
The odds are, the immigrants that are causing the police these problems, are probably the last ones that would even consider learning english. I'm trying to be realistic.
79 posted on 07/11/2002 2:24:06 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: sarcasm; Illbay
Yes, I well remember Illbay going on at length about his illegal alien housekeeper who made great Mexican breakfasts. And how he could give a **** if she was legal or illegal.
80 posted on 07/11/2002 2:51:35 PM PDT by dennisw
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