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1 posted on 07/10/2002 8:43:22 AM PDT by Korth
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ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who's castle is that?

WOMAN: King of the who?

ARTHUR: The Britons.

WOMAN: Who are the Britons?

ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.


2 posted on 07/10/2002 8:57:50 AM PDT by KarlInOhio
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8 posted on 07/10/2002 12:23:13 PM PDT by an amused spectator
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a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which wiped out most of the indigenous population in England but did not reach Wales....The team studied the Y-chromosome, which is usually inherited unchanged from father to son

Ah, but the Y DNA only reveals the MALE lineages. The mitchondrial DNA reveals the females (it takes 2 to tango). And the mtDNA of the English is a lot more "native", having changed relatively little since the Neolithic. This suggests that the English are primarily descended from Anglo-Saxon fathers, and Celtic mothers. In simpler terms - a lot of Anglo-Saxon MEN invaded, and took conquered Celtic women as wives or concubines.

The same thing happened in Mexico when the Spanish arrived -- a large majority of the Y chromosomes are "Iberian" yet most of the mtDNA is American Indian. Something similar happened in Ireland long before recorded history, as the Irish have mainly Iberian Y chromosomes (almost identical to Basques) yet northern European mtDNA, indicating that Basque men must have overrun Ireland in the same way that the Anglo-Saxons overran England.

How on earth are we going to sort out THIS "reparations" mess?

9 posted on 07/10/2002 1:06:19 PM PDT by Rytwyng
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Scientists say they have discovered big genetic differences between the English and Welsh, reinforcing the idea that the "true" Britons were pushed to the fringes by a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion.

Is that why English is a Germanic language?
10 posted on 07/10/2002 1:18:59 PM PDT by Petar Mrkonjic
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Have they found any Roman DNA?
13 posted on 07/10/2002 2:53:46 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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16 posted on 07/28/2009 3:53:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Lets here it for the Welsh and their stunning contributions to humanity.


21 posted on 07/28/2009 4:22:54 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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“And all day long the noise of battle rolled...”


24 posted on 07/28/2009 5:03:49 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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I've heard the theory before, but this is the first genetic link about which I've read. My ancestry traces back to Wales as well as Scotland & Ireland; I say we throw the Anglo-Saxons out and reclaim our lands.
27 posted on 07/28/2009 6:38:26 PM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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Modern English is closest to Frisian.

English itself derives not DIRECTLY from Old Germanic but from “Old English” which was formerly termed “Anglo-Saxon”. I believe Old Germanic gave rise to Alemannic, Alsatian, Old Saxon, Frankish, Old English, etc.

Ans interesting aside to all this is Tocharian. Tocharian was an Indo-European Language spoken in what is now western China. It is closest, not the Slavic Languages, but to Celtic, Germanic and Italic Languages. It is known only from documents. How it got to Central Asia is pretty much a mystery and the speakers of this language died out in remote antiquity. It is thought that the Taklamakan Desert Mummies may have been Tocharian speakers. Some of them appear to have had red hair, tall stature and caucausoid features and some of the fabrics found with them were tartan patterned and woven in style reminiscent of western European patterns.


30 posted on 07/29/2009 7:06:30 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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