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Partner Swapping Out Of Closet -- Swinging Accepted -- Women Driving Movement
San Frencisco Chronicle ^ | July 9, 2002 | Julian Guthrie

Posted on 07/09/2002 11:03:09 PM PDT by Dajjal

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:40:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Swinging, the practice of swapping romantic partners, has had a makeover.

Gone are the big-hair, gold-chain '70s-style swingers who gathered in suburban tract homes. Today's energetic couplings have made their way into mainstream resorts and upscale commercial venues.

"There are people who see the market potential and are opening clubs and agencies to cater to the lifestyle," said Tony Lanzaratta, a former Los Angeles police officer who is executive director of NASCA, a national organization of swingers. "The lifestyle tour and travel industry has more than tripled in the last five years."


(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: adultery; catholiclist; immorality; marriage; mdm; nasca; swinger; swinging
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To: Senator Pardek
Isn't this behaviour basically saying "Honey, I love you to pieces, but you're a dud in the sack."

But I thought the apprenticeship system worked??? A firm but loving "Honey, we need to work on our sex lives" would be so much better than this nonsense.

There is no excuse for a married couple not to become EXPERTS in how to please each other, okay people? Now get busy!

41 posted on 07/10/2002 8:23:40 PM PDT by avenir
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
I've just started posting threads by him ... =)
42 posted on 07/10/2002 8:30:56 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
I just glanced at the link, and why is stuff like this even aired? What is nexr?
43 posted on 07/10/2002 8:32:46 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: Angelique
and why is stuff like this even aired?

To make America think they're missing out.

Everybody's doin' it, doin' it, doin' it.

44 posted on 07/10/2002 8:34:35 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: avenir
There is no excuse for a married couple not to become EXPERTS in how to please each other, okay people? Now get busy!

lol ...

45 posted on 07/10/2002 8:35:31 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Dajjal
Lockers were available to stash clothes and bags.

All the amenities of a gay bathhouse! Now this is living!

46 posted on 07/10/2002 8:39:01 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Salvation
Sorry, I can't read about these things anymore. Is it so bad that even the institution of marriage is not even sacred? Where do these people come from?
47 posted on 07/10/2002 8:45:40 PM PDT by Gerish
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To: gcruse
Well, you really only need one of them to be sexually active. Heh.


For a really good example of this, I suggest a look at the transcript from Frontline's The Lost Children of Rockdale County about a syphilis outbreak in Conyers Georgia I happened to catch on Tuesday [uh, this was not exactly what I meant to say at the time]. I've lived in New Orleans a long time and really thought I'd heard it all but these interviews with children about sexual practices I thought were wild by lower Quarter standards really stunned me. Mostly, it made me sad ... especially knowing that by 15 or 16, most girls have figured out that sex is something guys enjoy but girls just get used for. Check this out:

PEGGY COOPER: My students were talking to me about the parties that they were having on weekends, and there was one place in particular that they had lots of privacy. The parents were off and gone. And they said that they were watching the Playboy Channel in the girl's bedroom. And there would be, like, 10 or 12 of them up there.

And so I said, "Well, is everybody watching it?" "Oh, yeah. They're all watching it." And so one of the little guys goes, "And we're getting pretty good at it, too." I said, "Good at what?" So he said, "Well, we- you have to do- the game is you have to imitate what the Playboy people are doing."

And one of them said, "And sometimes it's all mixed up, too. You know, it's just like- there may be three or four of us at one time. And it doesn't matter if you're two guys or two girls or a girl and a guy. It doesn't matter. You just have to do what they're doing."

NICOLE: There was this one time when we were all at a party. There's about 30, 40 people there. And this one girl, she- they had been drinking. They were pretty drunk. And she, like, was going to have- she told everybody she was going to have sex with almost every guy that was there.

And her and her friend went back in the bedroom. Her friend had sex with her boyfriend and came out. And then the girl stayed in there, and it was, like, all the guys lined up. And it was like they were from the door to the front door. I mean, it was a lot of people.

And we brought out the bag of condoms we got from the health department, passed them out. And, like, two guys would go in there, you know, and they were having sex with her. And they were, like, having oral sex and, you know, sex. And all the guys that- most of the guys that were there went in the room and had sex with her.

And then she came out. She was- she thought it was the coolest thing, just that she had just had sex with all them. Or maybe they thought she was cool or whatever. Then she was like, bleeding, and her hair had cum all in it, and it was all over her clothes.

INTERVIEWER: Did any of the girls describe the sex as pleasurable?

Prof. CLAIRE STERK: Initially, they described the sex as pleasurable, and pleasurable in terms of it being physically pleasurable, but also psychologically, like, this was a initiation into the next step of their life. It was part of their development that was taking place. Over time, however, very few of the girls talked about the sex in terms of it being pleasurable at all. It became something that was painful, that in some cases they couldn't even remember what they did anymore. So it became very negative.

I'd say it was insidious if it weren't so blatant that we're being completely desensitized to the best parts of being human. It's all well and good for those of us in our 40's, 30's and even 20's, I suppose, to talk as if some status quo is maintained. Just as unsettling as the interviews with the kids were some of the interviews with the parents ... [...]

Beyond all the arguments I could make against what I (and the Last Poets) believe is a Culture of Death, I'm just not sure that ills enjoy the same sort of entropy that virtues do if left to their own devices over time.

I think it's time to realize that the Summer of Love has a Lord of the Flies ending ... except the part, of course, where the adult shows up and saves the day. [Likely because he's too busy gratifying himself at Lush]

8 Posted on 02/10/2000 23:26:56 PST by Askel5


48 posted on 07/10/2002 8:52:02 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Hey, put me on any bump list for Erik von K-L threads.
Fascinating writer of great erudition and historic vision
on Western civilization.
49 posted on 07/10/2002 8:52:51 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Salvation
Since i was pinged over here as part of the *Catholic* list, I'll just offer one comment:

Did you notice that the couple who were interviewed were both youngish Russians? Remember that until the last decade, churches were virtually outlawed in Russia. Remeber when we used to say special prayers for the Russians at the end of every Mass. Perhaps we need to start doing that again.

50 posted on 07/10/2002 8:59:01 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Hot Wars Destroy Bodies ... Cold Wars are Waged for Immortal Souls ... Dales posted an excellent article from Acton Institute within the thread.
51 posted on 07/10/2002 9:00:09 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Very good. Thanks. Interview with von K-L on #9 of that thread, if anyone else surfing is interested.
52 posted on 07/10/2002 9:03:17 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Dajjal
Undoubtedly inspired by the movie "Bob and Carol and Ted and Phallus".
53 posted on 07/10/2002 9:04:54 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Askel5; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Great portrait of "Stupidity Roams The Earth" in Erik von Kuenhelt-Leddihn's The Timeless Christian.
54 posted on 07/10/2002 9:05:30 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Dajjal
This is no surprise. The "ladies" get lots of action before they move in with a significant other, and they see no reason to stop their free-wheeling ways. Ok, guys, lets see a little more commitment out there.
55 posted on 07/10/2002 9:07:16 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Askel5
If you look at pictures of a certain era,
you will see that men wore suit coats
with long tails on them as mostly normal
day wear.  Over the years. the tails shortened
and disappeared except for extreme formal
wear.  It took over a hundred years, but
we got here.

Around the time of the long coat tails,
the only women who wore makeup were
prostitutes, because lipstick and rouge
are ways of simulating high sexual arousal.
The twenties saw makeup move into the
mainstream of youth and it permeates society
today such that, to the 19th century eyes,
women look like prostitutes.  A mother of
the 1920's must have recoiled in horror
at what the children were doing in the
privacy of horseless carriages, away from home,
in casual clothes, and looking like hookers.

56 posted on 07/10/2002 9:08:26 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: meyer; Senator Pardek
"All these studies that say 99% of 16 year old females are sexually active - not at my high school! they are, but with guys their own age. :^)"

They are sexually-active way before they are 16. They start out early in life.

57 posted on 07/10/2002 9:09:25 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Salvation
"Sodom and Gomorrah Discussion Ping. Happening in the United States."

Many of us have been saying this for a long time now. We have to be careful, though. Falwell and others said that God has withdrawn His protection from this nation because of what we are doing. Remember how many people nearly fainted and got really, really mad. These people don't want to think they are responsible for what happens to them. Personally, I think this nation is coming up for a real bruising, and it will be because of what we are doing.

58 posted on 07/10/2002 9:12:33 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: Angelique
"I can't imagine such an unchaste marriage."

Actually, it fits in well with the new definitions of our modern and liberated world. A marriage is now what happens when two emotionally-arrested kids move in with each other until one of them decides to move out.

59 posted on 07/10/2002 9:14:55 PM PDT by Don Myers
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To: MHGinTN
My fellow Americans are so preoccupied that the moral fiber of the nation/Republic is being chewed up and spit out by the criminal enterprise democrat party and their ilk in the 'other' parties, sucking the last life out of this once great nation.

I know it started long before X42, but he certainly didn't do anything to help it.

60 posted on 07/10/2002 9:18:17 PM PDT by Salvation
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