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I really do not believe you to be a liar, but I definately you believe that you are a hata. :)

I have never been swayed by popular opinion anway.

Howlin, we have been arguing about this for months now. I don't believe that we will ever see eye to eye on this one.

We are right. Regardless of how you dress it up, this is a politically savvy site and this many people just are not out to GET or TRASH Klayman. Most of them have been around here longer than you're been driving.

BTW, it's NOT popular opinion; we have facts on our side. You, on the other hand, have you "feelings" about JW and Klayman. I'll take facts every single time.

After this dispiscable action today, a calculated political smear of Cheney just like the October DUI ambush, are you STILL defending the Clay Man(check his feet)?

If so, please don't ever castigate anyone who 'fell' for the seductive lies of Clinton and Gore. Its no different, choosing to defend to the bitter end may be an admirable female trait when its a child or spouse, but Larry is clearly proving that he has zero scruples, credibility, justification, or underlying principles. At best he is like the dog that instinctively barks at its reflection in the mirror, never learning to discern reality from possibility. At best.

Remember, pride goes before a fall. There would be no shame in after some reflection changing your position and acknowledging that Larry and JW are not what they first appeared, not the heroic leaders striving for justice that they portrayed themselves to be. The Bible would not warn against wolves in sheeps clothing if they were always easy to identify. Satan often hides evil in the wrappings of grains of truth, noble aspirations.

All of us have had things we believe in turn out to be false. There is no loss in changing one's assessment and subsequent beliefs, in fact respect comes to those that learn from their experiences, strong persons who can say 'No' to those they hold most dear when they fall or fail. I hope you'll take some time and reexamine the whole Larry/JW issue. Who is he now, what has it become? Would he not sue Jesus for breaking the Sabbath? (I do NOT type this lightly or blasphemously.)

Perhaps Larry really did begin with the best intentions, only to like Saul become blind to corrosive elements, moving from servant to self-destructed. Its easy to let zeal and idealism so harden our certainties that we lose our sensitivity to warning signs. Many of us construct a worldview, and then find it difficult to entertain the possibility that one of our foundational pieces may be flawed, that we might have to go through the sometimes painful process of reconstructing a new worldview. Yet to fail to react can lead to dire consequences(Who would want to believe that a priest, pastor, or elder would commit unspeakable sins? Yet it does happen, and always must be confronted when it does.) Review the history of the many, many well-meaning early Christians who slipped into diverging sects that wandered far from the truth, from the followers of Simon to the Gnostics. It can happen to those with the best of intentions.

Larry has become Saul. Witness how he now throws the spears at David(GWB), unleashing his army on David and his followers. But the results will be the same. How long will you support Saul?