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PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE POST CAREFULLY BEFORE THROWING THE INEVITBLE FLAMES! I CAN TAKE THE RAGE AND INSULTS, BUT PLEASE READ MY WORDS CAREFULLY - I CAN'T TAKE STUPID COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN. THANK YOU.

I would like to mention one accomplishment by larry Klayman and Judicial Watch. Their suits forced to light a plethora of information regarding the Clinton Administration's handling of the investigation of the death of Ron Brown. Someone very close to me wrote an important article about Clinton's crimes, and the information forced to light by JW brought together a lot of the pieces of the puzzle.

I would also like to point out that Chinagate would not have come to light (and I think Ron Brown would likely be alive today) if not for JW's litigation.

They have the entire world against them, largely because we have become such a highly partisan, unprincipled people. Americans now tolerate official corruption, as long as their favorite Party is at the helm. I thank the criminal Liberals for this fatal change in America's population.

I have previously been highly suspicious of JW's lack of victories in their lawsuits. I have never given them money. I am just recently realizing that winning lawsuits truly is not their aim, but to be the only mosquito with the cajones to harrass official criminals, and to force truth to the open air for any of us who give a damn about truth. I like the fact that they dion't give a damn that most Americans hate them because they are not partisan. Doing a thankless job because one believes it is the right thing to do is heroic, in my book.

NOW, I may find out that JW, after their initial success in forcing to light some of the crimes of the Clinton Crime Machine, is now trying to just muster money for their own pleasures. After all, money does have a tendency to corrupt. If this is true, I will repent from my support of JW. But the pain they afflicted (mitigated by an apathetic and selfish American public) on the Clinton Administration cannot be taken away from them. Also, it seems like there are a lot easier, more popular ways to scam people from their money, if that is indeed what they are doing.

I think that if the vast majority of the American public was not either completely apathetic, or caught up in the spirit of Party (that George Washington so urgently and presciently warned us against), Larry Klayman (and probably his whole family) would be dead already. That's the way these criminals play, when you REALLY threaten them. Klayman is not a threat, because truth is not something for which Americans by and large have any use.

Love and peace, Agrandis

I agree with a lot of what you have to say. I just may be further down the road on the journey you are taking.

But the pain they afflicted (mitigated by an apathetic and selfish American public) on the Clinton Administration cannot be taken away from them

I agree with that. I think what set folks here so wrong, other than the fact that he aparently never completes, much less wins, a case, is the fact that he came right out of the gate assuming Bush was corrupt....with no proof at all. Now, if there WAS corruption, that's one thing; but to those of us here, who ARE politically savvy and smell corruption a mile down the road, Klayman started accusing Bush of stuff where there wasn't "any there there."

That's why we end up with press releases like these and the threads that accompany them. If you don't agree, take a look at dead's thread from tonight.

For what it's worth, the one that put me over the edge was the attack on Laura Bush. No matter how he dressed it up, it was a cheap shot to gain himself some publicity.

The only thing that hasn't occurred to Klayman is that, other than FR, nobody even knows who he is.

Possibly..

Look, to be honest.. Retoric aside.

I wouldn't have a problem with Klayman losing a few.. Or LOSING ALL of them for that matter.

But I often find myself wondering where his aliegance is.

And that bothers me... Just like this hit piece on Cheney with November still looming in the mist bothers me.

PS: The day it becomes news bothers me..

Everything about it bothers me..

Frankly, because it just looks too coordinated.

Sorry.

I am not going to flame you. Is there some corruption among Republicans? Probably, since political parties are made up of men and women who are imperfect.

But, does the Republican party run organized scams as a criminal enterprise? No. Neither are the Republicans about class warfare, destroying the military, or raising taxes.

Now, I realize that it is easy to say that everyone is corrupt, but in fact, that is not true. It is a lie spread over the past 8 years by a group of people who want to make you think that is true, in order to mute the public outrage at their behavior.

Yes, it is true that Klayman's depositions revealed some information on those issues you brought up. And what exactly happened? Nothing. Impeachment happened independent of the Judicial Watch efforts, courtesy of Linda Tripp's information, and had nothing to do with the Ron Brown case or the Chinese missile sale.

In fact, Klaymamn's depositions may have done more harm than good, since he released the information to the public rather than to the Special Prosecutor. Maybe not.

The fact remains, however, that he is behaving badly now. Dick Cheney is one of the most honorable men to serve in Washington. He is a straight shooter. This is a frivolous lawsuit either for JW's publicity needs or to try to create an aura of "corruption" around the White House. It is a bad thing.

I would also like to point out that Chinagate would not have come to light (and I think Ron Brown would likely be alive today) if not for JW's litigation.

ned, I thought it was suicide?

I would also like to point out that Chinagate would not have come to light (and I think Ron Brown would likely be alive today) if not for JW's litigation.

Someday, when you get a chance, why don't you sketch out a summary of the evidence connecting Judicial Watch to the death of Ron Brown? I've seen others around here try it, but it has never made any sense to me. All we ever hear around here is about the x-rays that weren't very good and that the good ones have been concealed or never taken at all and that all of that somehow proves that there was no proper autopsy, or maybe no "real" autopsy, or maybe no autopsy at all and, by the way, there were no signals from the aircraft and it really didn't crash because of the weather, etc. And, in the end, nothing emerges but the same old circular nonsense.

So, if you can figure it all out, be kind enough to let us all know exactly what it is that Judicial Watch was talking about in all of those urgent fundraising letters.

"Americans now tolerate official corruption, as long as their favorite Party is at the helm."

Could you please point me in the direction of a bit of "official corruption" by the Bush administration uncovered by JW?

"I like the fact that they dion't give a damn that most Americans hate them because they are not partisan."

Do you believe that it's purely coincidental that while Clinton was in office, all of Larry's lawsuits and press releases pointed to criminal and/or unethical behavior by the Democrats, and now he's done a complete reversal?

There isn't a single press release in the Judicial Watch site critical of anything that Daschle and the Democrats have done since Bush took office.

Coincidence? Or calculated fund-raising tactics...