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Singer's remark riles Hispanics -- Greeley debates 'English' comment
Denver Post ^ | July 9, 2002 | Michael Riley

Posted on 07/09/2002 10:43:24 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan

Singer's remark riles Hispanics -- Greeley debates 'English' comment

By Michael Riley
Denver Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 09, 2002

A country western singer who told his audience at the Greeley Independence Stampede that immigrants should learn to speak English ignited an emotional debate in a community that has seen an influx of Hispanics over the past decade.

Warner Brothers recording star Chad Brock said Monday that his comments were meant to express his "pride in being American." But Hispanic leaders said they were racist and the failure of Stampede organizers to condemn them shows the refusal to embrace newcomers.

Brock stepped on stage Friday to belt out hits like "Lighting Does the Work," but he salted his performance with some sharp opinions.

In a speech between sets, Brock said he was tired of having to adapt to the widening influence of the country's newcomers. "You are coming to our country. We don't speak Russian. We don't speak Spanish. We speak English here," Brock told an audience of 7,000, according to the Greeley Tribune. While many Hispanics in the audience walked out, people who attended the event said many non-Hispanics cheered.

Brock, a former pro wrestler, said Monday that the comments came out of an honest patriotic fervor, inspired in part by a recent court decision declaring the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional.

"I'm not a racist. I wasn't directing the comments toward any particular group. I was speaking my mind as an American" during the Fourth of July holiday, Brock said.

"But I had no idea there were so many Hispanics in Greeley," he said. "I didn't mean to offend anybody."

Hispanic leaders said "offend" doesn't even begin to cover it.

"His comments were bigoted, inflammatory and hateful," said Roberto Cordova, a local college professor.

The issue goes deeper than Brock, said Jorge Amaya, director of the Northern Colorado Latino Chamber of Commerce. "The problem isn't what Brock said. The problem is that our community leaders didn't step up to condemn it."

At a news conference Monday, the Hispanic leaders demanded an apology from city officials, the event's corporate sponsors and Stampede organizers. They said this isn't the first time the Stampede has offended the city's growing Hispanic population.

Citing poor ticket sales, Stampede organizers last year canceled the fiesta section of the annual event.

Stampede marketing director Kyle Holman said organizers wanted to make the fiesta more inclusive and renamed it Family Night.

"Mr. Brock has the right of free speech just like every other American," Holman said. "But his opinion aren't necessarily the opinions of the Greeley Stampede."

But some here said they share Brock's sentiments.

According to census figures, Greeley's Hispanic population nearly doubled in the 1990s, as immigrants, many with limited English skills, took jobs in the region's meat packing plants and feedlots.

As the ethnic makeup of schools and neighborhoods shifts, some residents say they feel left out. Language has become both a divide and a flashpoint.

"If we're going to communicate, everybody needs to speak the same language," said Billie Messner, a patron at a local coffee shop.

Greeley City Manager Leonard Wiest said the city is working to accommodate newcomers.

Brock said Monday that while he's sorry if his comments offended anyone, he won't apologize.

"I had the guts to speak out, but I think a lot of people feel the same way," he said.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; englishlanguage; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; michaeldobbs; pc
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Luis is full of it. These people aren't about coming to America and contributing; it's all about what they can take. It should be obvious to even the most thick of persons just what it is they want.
461 posted on 07/10/2002 11:09:33 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
You bet he is. This guy has tried to bait many here on this forum. This much is very clear.
462 posted on 07/10/2002 11:11:28 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Luis Gonzalez
By contrast, Zogby's survey of Americans conducted within a few days of the Mexican poll shows a large majority supports reducing immigration levels and wants the military deployed along the border to protect the U.S. from illegal immigration. invasion

Sounds good to me.

463 posted on 07/10/2002 11:13:56 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Us"...?

You even SOUND like your Daddy! And you tried rappin' a few posts back too!

(he's way better at it than you are)

You want talk about who "us" may be Jesse? "Us" is most likely, whoever is reading this thread, waiting for you to substantiate one single claim that you have made about me.

You are making the allegation that I am a proponent of illegal immigrants voting in US elections. I asked that you substantiate that charge.

You haven't.

You haven't because you can't.

And you can't because you are lying.

464 posted on 07/10/2002 11:15:23 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Easy bro....Anybody that thinks not having the ability to speak english in the U.S. is a good thing is a fool.
465 posted on 07/10/2002 11:36:57 PM PDT by brightx
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To: He Rides A White Horse
You know what?

I'm wasting my time.

You post some article about what Mexicans think they are entitled to, that is relevant only to your fixation on illegal immigrants, and idiotic need to turn everything into an illegal immigrant discussion.

There are at least half a dozen posts on this thread where I have made my thoughts on illegal immigrants in the US quite clear, do some research.

I am discussing the rights of citizens, native or naturalized, it makes no difference in the eyes of the law, and that law protects the free speech of both.

When one's vision is tainted to the point of deciding that everyone of the people who walked out of this concert where illegal immigrants, who is truly using race as an argument here.

You don't know that the people who walked out counted among them any of the recent arrivals that Brock mentioned, yet you assume that they all are.

Even if only in your mind, you are going to acknowledge that I am right when you read this. Then you'll say to yourself that you really don't give a sh%t if they're citizens or not, either shut up, or get the hell out.

Free speech only to those with whom you agree with...
466 posted on 07/10/2002 11:52:35 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: SamBees
Illegals don't need to learn the language. They need to get out of our country.

Bingo.

467 posted on 07/11/2002 12:13:29 AM PDT by dougherty
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To: He Rides A White Horse
That's the difference. These people aren't interested in the least about what they can give to America......it's all about what they can take.

Exactly. Immigrants from a hundred years ago did not come to America and collect food stamps, welfare, free medical care, etc. They learned English and assimilated. They didn't pour over our Southern border by the millions and sponge off of the US taxpayer and turn American cities into third-worldish dumps. Things are getting worse, not better, as they continue to pour over the borders. The immigrants of over a hundred years ago built this country into a great nation, the 'immigrants' of today are turning it more and more into the third world cesspool they left.

468 posted on 07/11/2002 12:41:07 AM PDT by dougherty
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To: Doctor Stochastic
I stand corrected.
469 posted on 07/11/2002 4:56:09 AM PDT by Under the Radar
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To: Tancredo Fan
"His comments were bigoted, inflammatory and hateful," said Roberto Cordova, a local college professor

Go teach south of the border, ingrate! What country has allowed you the luxury of becoming a professor?

470 posted on 07/11/2002 5:01:33 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: Bernard Marx
You continue to misrepresent what I said. Perhaps you simply have little comprehension of English. At no time did advocate any form of official multilingualism. You saying so is simply false. I have only pointed out that that is the case in New Mexico as written into the NM constitution. I have made no endorsement of the situation.
471 posted on 07/11/2002 5:48:47 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Under the Radar
I do not endorse the NM constitution on the subject; it was their decision long before I was born. I just wanted to point out that there is a historical problem here.
472 posted on 07/11/2002 5:57:30 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: dougherty
....and your post 468 sums up the situation we face perfectly.
473 posted on 07/11/2002 6:17:40 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Movemout
Go teach south of the border, ingrate! What country has allowed you the luxury of becoming a professor?

He's not a real professor. He's a "Chicano studies" or "Hispanic studies" professor, whatever that is. Think of him as an ethnic agitator, troublemaker, and likely seditionist.... all being paid for by us.

474 posted on 07/11/2002 7:18:25 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You even SOUND like your Daddy!

Louie, louie, louie, your little baiting, and weak juvenile intimidation doesn't work anymore. LOL! At one time, long ago, you would get me mad with your name calling and race baiting tactics. Hehehe, no longer louie. It just don't work any more junior. It didn't take long to figure out your little tactics.

You show up on almost every single immigration thread, most involving illegal aliens, and you proceed to argue, debate, and attempt to label and paint those that oppose this invasion as nazis, racist, red necks and on and on, etc etc.

Yes louie, we will be seeing you on the future threads involving anything immigration, and illegal aliens. Won't we louie?

You would be better off staying within your own little clique of followers louie, and stick to those cute little essays, and poems. Go after Castro and Cuba louie, help them turn Cuba into a Las Vegas with a Pirates of the Caribbean theme. It would be better for you louie, as you would look so foolish all the time....

475 posted on 07/11/2002 8:13:39 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: dougherty
Have you seen today's post FLUENTLY BILINGUAL - NEED JOB?

It's worth a read.

476 posted on 07/11/2002 10:22:48 AM PDT by stanz
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To: Joe Hadenuf
ROTFLMAO!!!!

I'll be seeing YOU the next time you decide to inject name-calling and race-baiting on a thread, just like you did here.

BTW, like on every other thread, you walk out of here a proven liar, with your tail tucked between your legs, and failing to substantiate one single accusation you leveled at me. Once a liar and a race-monger, always a liar and a race-monger.

"You show up on almost every single immigration thread, most involving illegal aliens, and you proceed to argue, debate, and attempt to label and paint those that oppose this invasion as nazis, racist, red necks and on and on, etc etc."

So then, I guess it would be fairly simple for you to show me and everyone else here the posts on this thread where I do that, right Jesse?

You won't, because like most every other word that comes out of you, that's a lie.

"Yes louie, we will be seeing you on the future threads involving anything immigration, and illegal aliens. Won't we louie?"

"We" Jesse? Suffering from dellusions of grandeur like your Daddy?

"...stick to those cute little essays, and poems."

Hey! At least my essays are originals every time, not the same repeated (and probably plagiarized) "There are many forms of terrorism..." one that you've posted what? Thirty or forty times now?

BTW, the cute little poems are from the guy with the prehistoric cat icon...you know, the guy who vehemently opposes militarizing the borders.

477 posted on 07/11/2002 10:33:37 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
ROTFLMAO!!!!

Sure you are louie......

478 posted on 07/11/2002 1:37:30 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Doctor Stochastic
when I was criticized for saying "y'all" (to several people) in the North.

What the hell is wrong with Y'ALL??? If the damn Yankees don't like it, they can... uh...

Well kiss my Suthrun a$$, that's what... :)

479 posted on 07/11/2002 1:43:13 PM PDT by maxwell
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To: maxwell
I responded by drawling (actually more of a twang) a seminar on transformation of cross sections from a scattering experiment.
480 posted on 07/11/2002 1:48:43 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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