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Singer's remark riles Hispanics -- Greeley debates 'English' comment
Denver Post ^ | July 9, 2002 | Michael Riley

Posted on 07/09/2002 10:43:24 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan

Singer's remark riles Hispanics -- Greeley debates 'English' comment

By Michael Riley
Denver Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 09, 2002

A country western singer who told his audience at the Greeley Independence Stampede that immigrants should learn to speak English ignited an emotional debate in a community that has seen an influx of Hispanics over the past decade.

Warner Brothers recording star Chad Brock said Monday that his comments were meant to express his "pride in being American." But Hispanic leaders said they were racist and the failure of Stampede organizers to condemn them shows the refusal to embrace newcomers.

Brock stepped on stage Friday to belt out hits like "Lighting Does the Work," but he salted his performance with some sharp opinions.

In a speech between sets, Brock said he was tired of having to adapt to the widening influence of the country's newcomers. "You are coming to our country. We don't speak Russian. We don't speak Spanish. We speak English here," Brock told an audience of 7,000, according to the Greeley Tribune. While many Hispanics in the audience walked out, people who attended the event said many non-Hispanics cheered.

Brock, a former pro wrestler, said Monday that the comments came out of an honest patriotic fervor, inspired in part by a recent court decision declaring the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional.

"I'm not a racist. I wasn't directing the comments toward any particular group. I was speaking my mind as an American" during the Fourth of July holiday, Brock said.

"But I had no idea there were so many Hispanics in Greeley," he said. "I didn't mean to offend anybody."

Hispanic leaders said "offend" doesn't even begin to cover it.

"His comments were bigoted, inflammatory and hateful," said Roberto Cordova, a local college professor.

The issue goes deeper than Brock, said Jorge Amaya, director of the Northern Colorado Latino Chamber of Commerce. "The problem isn't what Brock said. The problem is that our community leaders didn't step up to condemn it."

At a news conference Monday, the Hispanic leaders demanded an apology from city officials, the event's corporate sponsors and Stampede organizers. They said this isn't the first time the Stampede has offended the city's growing Hispanic population.

Citing poor ticket sales, Stampede organizers last year canceled the fiesta section of the annual event.

Stampede marketing director Kyle Holman said organizers wanted to make the fiesta more inclusive and renamed it Family Night.

"Mr. Brock has the right of free speech just like every other American," Holman said. "But his opinion aren't necessarily the opinions of the Greeley Stampede."

But some here said they share Brock's sentiments.

According to census figures, Greeley's Hispanic population nearly doubled in the 1990s, as immigrants, many with limited English skills, took jobs in the region's meat packing plants and feedlots.

As the ethnic makeup of schools and neighborhoods shifts, some residents say they feel left out. Language has become both a divide and a flashpoint.

"If we're going to communicate, everybody needs to speak the same language," said Billie Messner, a patron at a local coffee shop.

Greeley City Manager Leonard Wiest said the city is working to accommodate newcomers.

Brock said Monday that while he's sorry if his comments offended anyone, he won't apologize.

"I had the guts to speak out, but I think a lot of people feel the same way," he said.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; englishlanguage; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; michaeldobbs; pc
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To: Tancredo Fan
I, like many others, see what the Denver Compost writes
is nothing more than mouthpiece support of the illegal
alien population. What is nice to know is that the Post,
along with many other left-wing newspapers in the US are
witnessing declining readership in favor of more balanced
news sources like Newsmax.com, the Fox News Channel, World
Net Daily, the Washington Times, etc. Hopefully these
liberal rags will fold and close down sometime in the
future if they keep their liberal bias showing against us
patriotic Americans. Denver is too great a city to have
a liberal rag like the Denver Post be their official
newspaper.
381 posted on 07/10/2002 3:52:32 PM PDT by jragan2001
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To: jragan2001
You should check out the thread, "Lift Taboo on Discussing Immigration". It was also published in the Denver Post, and it displays a level headed opinion. I figure that they're trying to show that they're balanced after their attention to this ordeal.
382 posted on 07/10/2002 3:57:46 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: weikel
I am not even a huge country music fan, but I feel like
running out and buying Chad Brock's CD's to show patriotic
support for his gutsy statements against the Political
Correctness establishment. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Since the Greeley mayor feels that what Mr. Brock said was
in poor taste, here is Mr. Jerry Wones's e-mail contact
to show support for Mr. Brock:

jcbwones@attbi.com

TELL THE PC ESTABLISHMENT WHERE THEY CAN STICK THEIR
PC AND MEXICAN FLAGS!!!
383 posted on 07/10/2002 3:58:20 PM PDT by jragan2001
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To: FreedomFriend
Thanks for the info and I'll check it out sometime- Maybe
there's hope after all.
384 posted on 07/10/2002 4:00:48 PM PDT by jragan2001
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Strawman? The comment that spurred the thread, and the majority of the posts, revolve around "speak English or leave"...simply saying "strawman" doesn't cut the mustard, you need to substantiate.

Yes Luis, the word is strawman. It is what you constructed in an attempt to lace up my jack boots because we disagree on this particular issue.

When you ask " Are you willing to monitor people to assure ourselves that they are speaking the Federally mandated language?" when I have mentioned no such thing, the intent is clear to me Luis.

You and every other American is guaranteed the right to freedom of speech and I will help you defend that right. Non citizens are not guaranteed a right to be American citizens without meeting certain requirements as set forth by the American people through their elected representatives.

My position is and will continue to be that, barring exceptional circumstance, applicants for citizenship must be able to speak rudimentary English, the language of this nation. After they are citizens they can speak in tongues if the mood hits them.

I would oppose English as a second language education and I would oppose any state referendum that bi,tri or quadlingualises the language spoken on official business in my state.

I am pro legal immigration and I judge people by the content of their character and their view of the world. Thats it.

Regards

JW

385 posted on 07/10/2002 5:58:54 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Well given their track record over the past 20 years, they kinda have a pattern.... Can you provide links and facts of this 20 year track record? I’d like to see this pattern.
386 posted on 07/10/2002 7:23:48 PM PDT by Marine Inspector
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To: jwalsh07
The proficiency level of an applicant for US citizenship has been in place for years, no one (including me) is questioning that point...I had to pass that test along with my parents.

My argument is with the idea of passing any kind of a law mandating, or rather imposing, a common language on the citizens of this nation. You see, if such a law is passed, it impacts everyone.

As a free man, and a US citizen, if I wish to build a town, populated by like-minded people, where the language spoken is Bantu, that's my right as an American citizen, and neither you, nor your elected representatives, can tell me that I can't.

As an immigrant, once I have met the requirements to obtain my US citizenship, if I decide to build a town, and populate it with like-minded people who wish to communicate only in Spanish, that's our right, and neither you, nor anyone's elected representatives, can stop that from happening.

Now, for the strawman...if those duly elected public servants do pass an amendment to the constitution (as it's been suggested here over, and over) making English the official language, by default, it would make the use of a language other than English unlawful to use.

How would you enforce that amendment?

That's my point...sorry that you can't understand something that simple.
387 posted on 07/10/2002 8:30:57 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's my point...sorry that you can't understand something that simple

Well, that's because I'm not as smart as you Luis. So, with no one available to match your gigantic intellect, I guess you'll just have to keep constructing strawmen and knocking them down by your lonesome.

388 posted on 07/10/2002 8:36:15 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Care to see more of what boy? Your lack of intelligence? That's evident all over this forum...specially in the thirty-odd places where you've posted the identical rant about "there are many forms of terrorism...", you can't even generate an original thought.

I finally figured out what was so familiar about you, I'm surprised it took me this long. You are nothing more than a Jesse Jackson clone, busy calling people race-baiters, when there's no bigger race-baiter around than you. You learned well your master's technique, I'm sure Jesse is quite proud.

This had been a fairly intelligent thread, not everyone agreed with everyone, but the level of dialogue, had been intelligent for the most part, albeit the occasional flare up of tempers, this is after all, an emotionally charged issue for many. An intelligence level that existed only until your arrival. It ended there.

Stop and think boy, I made a fool out of you once, and now you continue to make one of yourself. Do you imagine for a moment that I would ask a question to which I didn't know the answer to? You would, but I am far, far more intelligent than you. I also don't hide behind morse code when I tell someone what I think of them, real men don't.

I know who the bigots and racists are here, and you are the foremost one.
389 posted on 07/10/2002 8:47:12 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: phasma proeliator
We do Speak english here - we do fly the AMERICAN flag, and we do mention GOD in our pledge on our money, and in many other 'public' places.

Anyone who is offended by this or thinks it's racist is FREE to get the hell out and go home.

Right.....and any person who doesn't get it should keep walking all the way to the border.

390 posted on 07/10/2002 8:51:00 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Tancredo Fan
Brock said Monday that while he's sorry if his comments offended anyone, he won't apologize.

He has nothing to apologize for.

391 posted on 07/10/2002 8:53:03 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: jwalsh07
So tell me then, what was it that you meant by this?

"Do you favor the Balkanization of America Luis?"

"A common language with many cultures is what prevents such things from happening."

Tell me how you force people to speak a common language?

392 posted on 07/10/2002 8:55:01 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I finally figured out what was so familiar about you, I'm surprised it took me this long. You are nothing more than a Jesse Jackson clone, busy calling people race-baiters, when there's no bigger race-baiter around than you.

Oh louie, shut up.... LOL!

393 posted on 07/10/2002 8:55:08 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: He Rides A White Horse
So, freedom of speech isn't for everyone then?

Mr. Brock is protected by the First Amendment, and I agree that he has nothing to apologize for by the way, but people whose ideas you don't agree with are not protected by the same Amendment?
394 posted on 07/10/2002 8:57:02 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"Right.....and any person who doesn't get it should keep walking all the way to the border."

and I'd be more than happy to give them a helping boot in the ass....

395 posted on 07/10/2002 8:57:09 PM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: Luis Gonzalez
People who come here should learn English. Just as if I decided to live in any other country in the world, I wouldn't expect them to adopt English, and to change their culture to fit my expectatations.

It's reasonable, necessary..........what do we have, a country where everybody else has to learn a hundred languages to buy bread at the grocery store.

No Luis, this isn't about racism. This is about yet another hyphenated group coming to America who expects everybody to apologize because we don't do things like they do "back in the Motherland".

....and frankly, I'm getting sick of it myself.

396 posted on 07/10/2002 9:02:44 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Luis Gonzalez
A country western singer who told his audience at the Greeley Independence Stampede that immigrants should learn to speak English ignited an emotional debate in a community that has seen an influx of Hispanics over the past decade.

Why shouldn't they? Do they apply at some college or university, and then file a lawsuit because the class isn't taught in Spanish? Korean? Chinese?

The liberals in this country are destroying America. Don't be surprised to see people angry about it, either.

397 posted on 07/10/2002 9:07:34 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"The liberals in this country are destroying America."

You mean the liberals who are suggesting that the government should enact a common language amendment to the constitution? The liberals who think that the solution is more government involvement?

Now, you didn't answer my original question...you support Brock's right under the First Amendment to speak his mind freely, and without fear. Then you turn around, and suggest that others doing the same thing should leave.

Is freedom of speech not for everyone then?

398 posted on 07/10/2002 9:19:41 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: He Rides A White Horse
What is your ancestry?
399 posted on 07/10/2002 9:20:56 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
American, of course.
400 posted on 07/10/2002 9:21:53 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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