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Critics of new flag heckle governor on campaign trail
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 09 June 2002 | Jim Galloway

Posted on 07/09/2002 7:56:50 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

Jekyll Island -- For two hours, the protesters waited in the sweltering heat, with little shade except that cast by a small forest of old state banners with the Confederate battle emblem.

As noon approached, a dark SUV escaped the nearby resort hotel and breezed by the dockside parking lot. It was what they'd been waiting for, and a handful rushed to the rope that separated them.

"Boo!"

"Traitor!"

Gov. Roy Barnes had been "flagged." Again.

For more than a year, this dogged band of protesters, connected by the Internet, has greeted the governor at nearly every public event in which he's participated.

The flaggings, as they're called, have become a ritual of the campaign season. Barnes hasn't been the only target. Members of the Legislature have had flags waved in their direction, too.

But it's the governor who knows many of the participants well enough to call them by name. "I wave at them," he said.

In January 2001, in a lightning maneuver, Barnes pushed through the Legislature a new state flag, one in which the Confederate emblem was shrunk to an eye-straining rectangle.

Ever since, strategists of all stripes have predicted that the issue would play a significant role in the governor's bid for re-election. Every Southern governor who has fiddled with such symbolism has run into trouble. And some experts say the new banner could still be a factor in the Georgia race.

But even "flaggers" concede that their cause has blurred over the past 18 months, complicated by the realities of Georgia's political calculus, changes within the state itself -- and by the events of Sept. 11.

"The truth of the matter is, we only have one flag. It's the flag of the United States of America. I believe I'll stick with it," Barnes said just before he left the Jekyll Island meeting of the Georgia Press Association last month.

The sound bite was fashioned spontaneously by the governor days after the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the months since, it has been found to work well with focus groups.

Just before Barnes spoke at the island conference, his Republican challengers sat on the same stage. All three favor a statewide referendum on the flag issue.

But none of them has advocated a return to the old flag. One, Bill Byrne, has called the old flag a "divisive symbol." He prefers the version that flew over the state Capitol before the battle emblem was added in 1956.

The news didn't go over well with the protesters outside.

"We would prefer a candidate that would be in favor of going back to the old flag," said Jack Lipthratt, 47, of Brunswick.

GOP keeps its distance|

While quite willing to flirt with the flag issue as an example of Barnes' "dictatorial" style, Republicans can't afford to embrace the flaggers too tightly.

"They want them on the bus, without driving the bus," said Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University.

To put the GOP squarely behind Confederate symbolism "would be the worst thing the Republican Party could do," Black said. It would drive up African-American turnout in the general election, which would overwhelmingly benefit the Democratic Barnes, Black said. The gain for Republicans among white voters would be minimal, he said.

Generally, Republicans and Democrats agree on who flaggers are: Georgians who were comfortable with the South of years past, not with the one that creeps up on them today. They make up 5 percent to 10 percent of the voting population. And they are mostly white, middle-aged and male.

"A lot of the young people have given up and dropped out," said Lipthratt.

The Jekyll Island protesters numbered a dozen. One man wore a T-shirt that listed Barnes and every lawmaker who voted to change the flag. A woman wore a dress fashioned of the Confederate battle emblem.

Only two of their number voted for Barnes in 1998. In fact, Barnes strategists are counting on the fact that most of those Georgians angry with the governor over the flag wouldn't have voted for him anyway.

Kipp Pittman, 44, of Willacoochee in South Georgia, said he and his fellow protesters are trying to change that, by engaging in voter registration and encouraging lax voters to turn out. "It's going to bring in new people. That's what we're really hoping for," he said.

Perhaps for that reason, the Barnes campaign wants to avoid any escalation. The campaign contacts the State Patrol or local police and urges them to avoid confrontation. All events have been peaceful. The demonstrators say they're eager to stay within the law.

Atlanta vs. Georgia?|

Flaggings are loosely coordinated by members of three groups: the Southern Party, various chapters of the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the League of the South.

Bradford Isbell, a Griffin-area resident, is state chairman of the Southern Party. Isbell said anger over the flag change was set aside after Sept. 11. But it has rebounded, if hits on the group's Web site are any measure, he said.

Even so, there is a geographical difference in how the issue is received. "You can almost divide the state into two sections: Atlanta and the rest of Georgia," Isbell said. Slightly more than half the state's votes are in metro Atlanta's 18 counties.

One group has instituted something called Project Wave -- offering a 24-foot pole and the old flag for $33. Nearly 600 have been sold, mostly to Georgians in rural and exurban areas.

It is in vote-rich suburban Atlanta that lines begin to blur for flaggers. In mid-May, state Sen. Charles Tanksley, a Cobb County Republican and a former law partner of the governor's, was flagged for his vote to change the flag.

Seven or eight protesters had ventured into the Galleria area in southeast Cobb County, where Tanksley was holding a $500-a-head fund-raiser at the Georgian Club. The protesters were asked to leave, and they moved to the corner of U.S. 41 and Akers Mill Road.

Twenty years ago, nearly two-thirds of metro Atlanta residents were originally from Georgia. Native Georgians now number less than half. Likewise, there was a time when the Chattahoochee River served as a racial boundary. But no more.

The protesters waving the old flag and Confederate banners on U.S. 41 were in what is now Democratic territory. African-Americans and Hispanics make up a large part of the community.

Most passers-by were polite, but quite a few -- perhaps three in 10, demonstrators said -- shouted obscenities or offered middle-finger salutes.

One of the props devised by demonstrators was a black mannequin with a fuzzy wig, set in a trash can. It was a reference to Jesse Jackson. In 2000, he and other civil rights leaders agreed to put off an economic boycott of Georgia for a year while state leaders worked out the decision to change the flag.

The reference was lost on spectators who saw nothing but the mannequin beneath Confederate battle emblems.

The manager of a clothing store on the same corner called the police to have the demonstrators removed. But by the time the cops arrived, the protest was over. It was 7 p.m., time to go home.

Weeks later, it was announced the mannequin had been retired. Even flaggers have to be careful of the symbols they wield.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: confederateflag; dixielist; flagging; ga; kingroy
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To: mhking; ned
I agree, mhking - let the people vote. If they choose to pick a new design, that's fine by me. King Roy didn't let the people speak!
61 posted on 07/09/2002 10:10:02 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: NationUnderGod
That flag represents adherence to slavery. It flew over states that believed in slavery and were willing to divide this nation to keep it. It is a affront to millions of Americans.

Which flag, the American flag ?

62 posted on 07/09/2002 10:19:37 AM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: Vladiator
bunch of blue coats from Boston and New York?

Uh, you might want to check up a bit on the city of New York and its involvement in the Southern War for Independence. Two questions, if the war was about slavery why did the city of New York actually consider joining the South in secession? And secondly, if the citizens of New York were so proudly behind the union cause why did one of the biggest riots in the history of these United States happen in NY in 1863? What, they sold out of union flags? The blue coats might have well have come from Boston after they finished hanging and beating abolitionists as history tells us but New York seemed a little on the fence

63 posted on 07/09/2002 10:19:47 AM PDT by billbears
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To: stainlessbanner
Frickin' Atlanta - a cancer on Georgia!

"The truth of the matter is, we only have one flag. It's the flag of the United States of America. I believe I'll stick with it," Barnes said...

Then what, pray tell, are you the governor of, freaky Mr. Barnes?

64 posted on 07/09/2002 10:21:20 AM PDT by agrandis
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To: stainlessbanner
Georgia's first flag, the Royal Banner of Ferdinand and Isabella:

Pretty sharp, but before too long, it just wasn't PC anymore.

65 posted on 07/09/2002 10:24:01 AM PDT by ned
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To: mhking; Colt .45; stainlessbanner
Interesting that the Georgia flag pre '56 looks very similar in color scheme and setup as the 1st National. Wonder if that was the purpose
66 posted on 07/09/2002 10:26:09 AM PDT by billbears
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To: NationUnderGod
It is a affront to millions of Americans.

Suuuuure it is, son. Those millions simply forgot to mention it until just here lately. Actually, liberals with their lemming swarm mentalities, have been instructed to "feel outraged" at the sight of an ANV battleflag.

Thanks for identifying yourself.

67 posted on 07/09/2002 10:33:07 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: stainlessbanner
king roy is a SCALAWAG of the first rank.

NOTHING is lower than a scalawag. NOTHING!

FREE dixie NOW,sw

68 posted on 07/09/2002 10:35:22 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: NationUnderGod
IF what you say is TRUE, then the stars & stripes is EQUALLY to blame!

the last flag to fly over American slavery was the US FLAG!

free dixie NOW,sw

69 posted on 07/09/2002 10:37:36 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Phantom Lord
WRONG AGAIN.

the damnyankee-dominated media is telling that particuliar LIE, but if you are willing to listen, here is the TRUTH:

the USSC in 1962 told the SCV & UDC that "the confederate flag is not yours alone" and thus "you have no say in who may or may NOT fly the flag", therefore the HATERs were freed to do anything they wanted with our flag, for good or ILL.

most of us desendents DISPISE ANYONE who does dis-respect to our SACRED flag of southron liberty & our beloved ancestors.

FREE the southland,sw

70 posted on 07/09/2002 10:46:11 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: Phantom Lord
because most of the transplants were DIMocRATS before they came south!

free dixie NOW,sw

71 posted on 07/09/2002 10:47:37 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: NationUnderGod
MOST of our citizens, of every ethnic group and color, are smarter than the visitors!

southrons KNOW what the flag stands for!

for dixie,sw

72 posted on 07/09/2002 10:50:04 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: NationUnderGod
NOT true in 1861. NOT TRUE NOW.

free the southland,sw

73 posted on 07/09/2002 10:50:56 AM PDT by stand watie
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To: stainlessbanner; southernpatriot_usa; SC Swamp Fox; Constitution Day; TomServo; billbears; ...
Dixie Ping!
74 posted on 07/09/2002 11:20:23 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: Phantom Lord
When the flag was coopted by hate groups without a fight from those who claim that it is heratige and not hate they lost the rights to the flag in my opinion.

This is a popular lie I see often. The truth is that the SCV has constantly battled against small (mostly norhthern based) hate groups misusing the battle flag and has filed several lawsuits including one that made it to federal district court in the early '70s. The court says it's a 1st amendment issue & the liberal press that has you brainwashed only wants you to see the anti-Southern aspect of the story so the SCV's side doesn't get past their own publications. Thanks to the internet, things are changing, the truth is finally being told, and the tide is finally turning...

75 posted on 07/09/2002 11:29:11 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: NationUnderGod
When we were in the deep south not long ago we saw those flags flying over the capitols. And how are black Americans in those cities supposed to feel about it? It was an oppresive feeling to us who were just passing through.

My but you are quite the liberal, spoon fed, bed wetter aren't you? Tell me something, if that flag was an "adherance to slavery", how many of them flew over slave ships? And when, exactly, did the institution of perpetual African servitude end in the Union? Thanks in advance.
76 posted on 07/09/2002 11:38:10 AM PDT by wasp69
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To: flyervet
The St Andrews Cross and mullets were not added in protest of Brown vs. Board of Education. They were added as a memorial to prepare for what was then the upcoming centennial of the Revolution of 1861. You can check the record of the debate in the legislature on the bill. Thats what they said. Brown vs. Board was never mentioned.
77 posted on 07/09/2002 11:48:38 AM PDT by doryfunk
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To: doryfunk
You should probably contact the Georgia Senate. They are under the impression that the flag was changed to show support for segregation.

Of course, even if you disbelieve the State of Georgia and the state politicians of the time, changing the flag to memorialize the Confederacy would have been redundant, as the pre-1956 flag was designed by a Confederate vet, Col. Hermann Perry, who based it on the first CSA national flag as a memorial to the Confederacy. In order to swallow the fiction that the flag was changed in 1956 to memorialize the CSA, you have to not only ignore the words of the legislators of the time as well as the Georgia Senate, and you have to believe that the tradition-minded members of the 1956 General Assembly wanted to destroy a memorial designed by a Confederate veteran in favor of a new memorial.
78 posted on 07/09/2002 12:19:09 PM PDT by flyervet
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To: stainlessbanner
I love how they keep up the pressure on King Roy. He's probably the most protested governor in GA's history.
79 posted on 07/09/2002 1:57:34 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: NationUnderGod
NationUnderGod, member since 2002-07-06

Wow, you sure know a lot to have just been here three days. You must have learned all that in government school.

80 posted on 07/09/2002 3:00:01 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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