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To: Greybird
And this "heroic" lad differs from the mid-1930s German kids who were urged to turn their parents in to the Gestapo for being critical of Hitler at the dinner table ... exactly how?

Are you high? There's a difference between American police officers following the US constitution and state laws which we have made freely... and the Gestapo, whose activities and existance would be impossible under the US constitutioon and US state laws. There is a difference between the US and Nazi Germany. The kid didn't turn his dad in for not liking the national leader, nor for being Jewish. Jews weren't trying to get high, they were trying to avoid being exterminated. There is a huge difference between a government like that of Naxi Germany with laws that violate free speech and a government like ours which has laws banning the use and sale of certain drugs. Free speech is essential to political liberty- the use of drugs for pleasure is not essential for anything, not even for pleasure.

I know these distinctions don't seem so great right now, but once the drugs wear off they'll be blatantly obvious.

Our system is set up so that laws we see as unjust can be challenged- legally. Our system is set up so that we can toss people we see as inadequate or dangerous out of office. Our system was set up so that things we don't like can be protested - and the government has no right to stop you from advocating that drug laws be lifted, no right to stop you from public protests of US laws pertaining to drugs. The first ammendment is still there, and you can praise drugs all you like, and criticize the government to your little heart's content. You couldn't do that in nazi Germany. When our country gets to the point that you can't hold a pro-drug rally to ease drug laws, give me a call. I don't support the use of drugs but I do support your right to wax eloquent or to make a fool of yourself in public.

Nazi Germany was Nazi Germany because a lot of people decided that they could violate basic inalienable rights like life, the right to bear arms, free speech, and religious liberty. They decided that intimidation of other people with violence was acceptable. It wasn't Nazi Germany because people upheld the law- it was Nazi Germany because not enough people had respected the laws of the former German republic, and because they had no US constitution. Nazis thought it was OK to vandalize, even though it was against the law. They decided it was OK to break into Jewish business and OK to destroy things belonging to other people. The LAWLESSNESS preceeded the rise of the Nazis. Once they had used lawlessness to come to power, they turned around and used their own laws to stay in power. They could not have come to power but for the lawlessness of both the communists and themselves.

41 posted on 07/09/2002 4:10:57 AM PDT by piasa
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To: piasa
There's a difference between American police officers following the US constitution and state laws which we have made freely ... and the Gestapo, whose activities and existance would be impossible under the US constitution and US state laws.

Impossible? You haven't read the "USA PATRIOT Act." Wherein the Fourth Amendment has been effectively abolished. Nor noticed how U.S. citizens are now being held incommunicado, without being charged with a crime, without attorneys, and without allowing habeas corpus.

With how D.A.R.E. encourages kids nationwide to inform on their parents, even when they are acting in ways that injure no one (and growing marijuana plants in the basement qualifies), what makes such an atmosphere different from that of what was impressed upon the Hitler Youth? Absolutely nothing.

This boy is a budding authoritarian, the perfectly formed product of the government schools, who isn't wasting any time putting his training into practice.

And you're SO cute when you're mad. ~g~

204 posted on 07/09/2002 2:11:09 PM PDT by Greybird
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