US liberals uneasy at rise of gay right

The Guardian ^ | Monday July 8, 2002 | Duncan Campbell

[Michael2001]

Liberals aren't the only ones that are "uneasy" about it. I want nothing to do with these folks and I don't want their votes

[Semper Paratus]

As the saying goes the gays and right will make for uneasy bedfellows.

[dennis1x]

not that theres not anything wrong with that

[CatoRenasci]

I welcome the support of anyone who favors positions I agree with on matters of economics and defense. That said, I will continue to oppose open homosexuals in the military, in teaching, the clergy or any place they would have contact with children. I will oppose any special rights for them, such as their marriage mockery or live-in benefits.

[Southack]

You probably didn't like J Edgar Hoover, either, but that doesn't change the fact that numerous gays are Conservative in every way but sexual orientation.

[Michael2001]

Note that they are not supporting the Repubs as individuals, rather as "log cabin Republicans" and such.

[Drew68]

I want nothing to do with these folks and I don't want their votes

Would you prefer they vote democrat?

[Drew68]

I want nothing to do with these folks and I don't want their votes

Would you prefer they vote democrat? Because these people most certainly *do not* sit home on election days.

[goodieD]

"homophobic Christian right" my rear! The word "phobic" denotes fear. Most of us aren't afraid, we are sickened and disgusted and saddened. Big difference.

[Katya]

"Going purely on principle, we on the Right must be consistent. "

Consisitent with what? What you should have said "we, conservatives"....being right wing and conservative does not go hand in hand. Many of us are very libertine and very right wing.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Correct! Here's the reason they are Repubs...

"...challenging the homophobic Christian right in the party"

[Khepera]

First you need to quit using their terms. Homophobic is not a true phobia. Phobias are based in fear. We do not fear homosexuals but are disgusted by them. This is the basis of our repulsion not fear.

Yes the Homosexuals are Challenging Christians but they have always challenged the truth.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

Hi Khep. Just FYI the quote was lifted from the original article...I was just pointing it out :)

[Khepera]

I know but I like off the wall replies.

[happytobealive]

Besides, most homo's are going to be liberal on the moral issues that matter most. Let them in the door, and I fear we'd open a real Pandora's box later on.

I was canvassing my experience to try and think of people who celebrate homosexuality but also lean right on most social issues.

In my personal life there is nobody, including my practicing gay sister.

Among public figures I'm familiar with there is maybe one. My brother told me that Drudge announced a long time ago that he is gay, although I'v not seen this anywhere else. If he is, then he is the sort I think we'd be glad to have voting Republican.

[Michael2001]

Would you prefer they vote democrat? Because these people most certainly *do not* sit home on election days.

With all due respect this is a stupid question. You might as well also ask if I would prefer that liberals vote for the democrats.- Of course I would like it if libs voted for the Repubs, but that's not going to happen unless we change our politics. If we change our politics, then what's the point?

If we sell out to please the homosexuals then we are nothing but Democrats masquerading as Republicans. If they vote Repub as individuals I don't have a problem with that; I still disagree with their lifestyle but that's their own choice. But if they want to join us in their own homosexual groups like the "log cabin Republicans" then it is obvious (to me at least) that they are planning to force on us this idea that they lead a normal lifestyle; they don't.

[1stFreedom]

I look at it this way. We have so many important issues to resolve which are being held hostage by liberals. These rights include the right to life, the right to maximum income and minimum taxes, the right to own firearms, property taxes.

Now, homosexuality is a personal decision that really, the government impact on as a whole is small. Sure, the gov't can grant recognition of a gay "marriage", but the effects of that really only apply to the financial situation of a gay couple (inheritance, taxes, etc).

I don't see our society heading towards intolerance of open homosexuality (which helps to keep it in the closet). Rather I see it the other way around. I think this atmosphere is dangerous. However, raise your kids right, educate them properly (homeschool it!), and pray with them and for them. They will choose their paths from there.

So, we have a choice. We either hand the liberals victories on abortion, gun control, taxes and so forth, or we take all the votes we can get. When the right to life is restored, the various amendments recognized (1st, 2nd, 10th especially), and the courts have a majority of good judges, then we can fight over homosexuality.

What I'm saying is that we need to prioritize our issues and recognize that homosexuality isn't incredibly high on the list. After all, even if it is not tolerated, people will still have gay relations as they have had for a very long time.

I myself would just appreciate it if those who are gay do not force everyone around them to tolerate flamboyant behavior. I appreciate those who keep their homosexuality to themselves or are quiet about it. After all, I don't run around whistling at women and wearing my heterosexuality on my sleeve.

We need to work with these folks. What's more important, your personal disgust or the right to life? Compare it to the issues you believe in, and I'd be surprised if it were #1 on your list.

So, let's welcome the various conservative groups: PLAGAL (http://www.plagal.org/) , PinkPistols (http://www.pinkpistols.org), and Log Cabin!

[I_Love_My_Husband]

I think you're wrong about us handing them victories. They either play on our terms on our turf or get lost as far as I'm concerned.

They are only infiltrating because they want US to change. Well I'm not changing! They are not interested in the RIGHT, part of the RIGHT is the RELIGIOUS RIGHT...which they HATE. I'm not particularly religious, but I respect the Religious Right a lot. Can you tell me ANY GAYS that do? Don't give me that Dignity crap. All of those groups are bs.

[1rudeboy]

I want nothing to do with these folks and I don't want their votes.

Then it would be best for you to stay out of politics, in my opinion.