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Anti-Americans had me in tears on the Fourth of July
Daily Telegraph ^ | 07/06 | Julia Magnet

Posted on 07/06/2002 8:59:49 AM PDT by ginle

I've just moved from New York City to London, into a little house with a little garden - and it seemed a good idea to throw a Fourth of July barbecue. After years of cramped Manhattan parties, craning out of our air-conditioned apartment window to catch a glimpse of fireworks, I was determined to have the traditional outdoor feast.

My British flatmate loved the idea. "It's a themed welcome-back party," she exclaimed. She emailed invitations to our friends. I bought gourmet sausages, and then suddenly I panicked. Why would a bunch of Brits, anti-Bush and liberal Brits at that, want to celebrate our most all-American day?

Having lived in London on and off for two years, I've realised that young British people don't like America; in fact, now that Bush is waging his war on terror, they hate it. At a dinner party in the autumn, a boy I'd just met said: "You know, basically bin Laden is right." I began to cry. "America oppresses every other country, and really exploits them just to get richer and, you know, crushes them if they try to stand up for themselves. Bin Laden was telling America to mind its own business; it needed to be told."

And all this when my city was plastered with posters for loved ones missing since September 11; when I had just discovered that a friend had died in the attack. Knowing that one of the charges against Americans was that we "take everything too seriously", I apologised for crying.

Since September, most of my introductions to young Brits begin: "Oh, you're American." Then comes a barrage of questions and assertions about Bush and America's place in the world. If you can clear such political minefields, you find yourself with some friends for life, whose political attitudes about America do not extend to their opinion of individual Americans. "So really," I told myself, "stop worrying. These are your cherished friends coming to the party. You can make it through an evening without talking politics, and everyone loves a camp themed party, especially one with gourmet sausages and mustard in a squeezy bottle."

Then I read the "youth" survey in The Telegraph - a huge majority of young Britons thought America was "aggressive", "inward-looking", "concerned only with its own place in the world" and "not a good example to other countries". Thirty-seven per cent thought Bush was either "poor" or "dreadful". I accosted each new guest - even before they had negotiated the red, white and blue balloons that covered our floor - with interview requests. "Please will you tell me what you really think about Bush and America? I swear I won't get upset and really the more honest the better and I know that we disagree anyway." It worked, but not until we had more than a little drink. What a sight: BA literature students, photographers, actors and people in the theatre - all British but me - piling on to a sofa and talking tipsily about politics.

"Well, America," began someone, nestling into the couch and setting her drink on the table. "I really like America, but I don't think their political system inspires much confidence." "Bush is awful - a total idiot," broke in a boy from across the room, and the polite reserve was broken. "Yeah," nodded another friend earnestly. "Everyone in Britain thinks he's horrible; we were really gutted when he won. We wanted the other guy, what's his name? - Gore - to win."

Turning away from a conversation revolving around an Alabama-style chocolate cake that one of our friends had brought us, someone volunteered: "Bush is a homicidal megalomaniac; he wants to take over the world." My friend's boyfriend added a new sort of conspiracy theory: "The US is the world's biggest terrorist. They think that it is fine to go into other countries and pillage them for their own good, but when other countries attack them they call it terrorism. George W welcomed September 11. Look what it did for him. He didn't exactly engineer it, but he wanted to go into Afghanistan because of their oil resources. Do we really know Osama was behind September 11?" "Where did you hear this?" I asked, trying desperately to be impartial. "Well, I pieced it together," he replied. His paranoia was met with approval from some quarters: "Yeah, Bush wants to use 9/11 to start a world war." He was shot down by the others: "He's too stupid to do that."

I wondered out loud why they were convinced that he was so dumb. The answer was a bit feeble: "Our media has hyped him as stupid." But another friend, while pouring us more wine, came to the rescue: "He always messes up the speeches that are written for him and trips over big words." "He's a knob," yelled a friend as she went into the garden to partake of the sausages.

Finally, I went out into the garden to talk to my friend, the war studies undergraduate, who seems the exception to the rule. "There is less to worry about George W than everyone makes out," he said, lighting my cigarette with an "I Love NY" lighter. "He is a strong hand on the tiller and his responses are not wrong. The Republicans pick people for character traditionally and set up a really intelligent strong team behind them. I don't think we have to worry with Colin Powell and Rumsfeld." This inspired a boy who had been quiet the whole evening - "I am the most British person you'll ever meet," he confided, "and I am completely behind Bush and America. So I guess that I don't have anything to say here."

Probably this, not the paranoid anti-Americanism, was the most shocking comment. But it was a lovely evening, and no one got into an argument, except for two Brits about the NHS. The Telegraph poll said that 63 per cent of young Britons think America is a good friend to Britain, and that is what I most noticed at my party. For all their criticism of America and its supposed militant posturing, here were my friends, bearing wine, celebrating the Fourth of July and staying late, long after we wanted to clear up and go to bed.

After all, these were the same people who had called me and my parents on September 11 and sent flowers to lay at the site.


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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
....and I wonder why she felt she had to appear impartial?.. and I wonder why she was so naive to expect anything else from her so called friends?.. She got what she deserved. I would have invited all the blankety blanks to leave.
61 posted on 07/06/2002 12:27:43 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: David Hunter
Otto: Don't call me stupid.
Wendy Leach (Maria Aitken): Why on earth not?
Otto: Oh you English are so superior aren't you? Well would you like to know where you would be without us, the old U.S. of A to protect you? The smallest fucking province in the Russian empire. So don't call me stupid lady.
Wendy: Well thank you for popping in protecting us.
62 posted on 07/06/2002 12:32:22 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: Tourist Guy
That could be because it was written for a British publication. But you may be on to something: I've never heard of an Alabama style chocolate cake. You wanna talk Red Velvet cake, you've got my attention!
63 posted on 07/06/2002 12:36:04 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
I believe that they are surprised that Americans would have the guts to say anything. We just want everyone to love us. I say what I think now on every issue and why not? I step aside for their point of view and they can for mine.
64 posted on 07/06/2002 12:46:22 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: dvwjr
Haha......." a can of whoop ass".......now THAT is a very American phrase! lol
65 posted on 07/06/2002 1:20:00 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: dread78645; exit82; TonyRo76; PoisedWoman; miss marmelstein; AdA$tra
Here's a quote you might find interesting from here:

IN ONE OF HIS FAMOUS SPEECHES Churchill asked America 'Give us the tools and we will finish the job'. But America wouldn't 'give' anything without payment. After two years of war, Roosevelt had drained Britain dry, stripping her of all her assets in the USA, including real estate and property. The British owned Viscose Company, worth £125 million was liquidated, Britain receiving only £87 million. Britain's £1,924 million investments in Canada were sold off to pay for raw materials bought in the United States. To make sure that Roosevelt got his money, he dispatched the American cruiser, 'Louisville ' to the South African naval base of Simonstown to pick up forty two million Pounds worth of British gold, to help pay for American guns and ammunition!.Not content with stripping Britain of her gold and assets, Roosevelt now proceeded to 'strip the flesh off the bone'. In return for 50 old destroyers, he demanded that Britain transfer all her scientific and technological secrets to the USA. (American science had been lagging years behind the British at this stage). Also, he demanded leases on the islands of Newfoundland, Jamaica, Trinidad and Bermuda for the setting up of American military and naval bases in case Britain should fall.

QUOTE. Lord Beaverbrook was later to exclaim 'The Japanese are our relentless enemies, and the Americans our un-relenting creditors'.

I know that FDR hated the British Empire and saw WWII as a way to finish it off, just as WWI had seriously weakened it, a war which the USA deliberately stayed out of for as long as possible. However, I am sure that many freedom loving Americans did wish to help Britain and not just strip its assets. For example: the NRA was kind enough to ask its members to provide any guns they could spare to allow the British people to defend themselves against a German invasion. Thank you for that NRA.

66 posted on 07/06/2002 1:24:22 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
"... Bless your little cotton socks! You just go on believing that, if it keeps you happy."

Heheh... For those that don't get it, Euros laugh at American tourists for our white cotton socks.

Even funnier is that Euros are often seen wearing brown polyester socks with sandals, or even worse, fancy dress socks with American Nike athletic shoes.

67 posted on 07/06/2002 1:34:07 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: dread78645
Otto: Don't call me stupid.

Wendy Leach (Maria Aitken): Why on earth not?

Otto: Oh you English are so superior aren't you? Well would you like to know where you would be without us, the old U.S. of A to protect you? The smallest fucking province in the Russian empire. So don't call me stupid lady.

Wendy: Well thank you for popping in protecting us.

Very amusing. That is a quote from 'A fish called Wanda' isn't it? But what is the opinion of a fictional spook turned gangster supposed to prove?

68 posted on 07/06/2002 1:37:27 PM PDT by David Hunter
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To: ginle
You may want to take a course in world history and then get back to your brit "friends."

Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile if we took their advice which comes from their own failed worldwide exploits in the past to just care of ourselves for awhile...

69 posted on 07/06/2002 1:42:30 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: MadIvan
Ping
70 posted on 07/06/2002 1:51:29 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: David Hunter
Most of what you say is great. However it is debatable whether or not Britain and the USSR would have defeated Hitler if the US hadn't entered the war. I'm a serious student of WWII and I believe that the Nazis would have prevailed had the US not supported, then entered the war. The US was supplying a great deal of material before Pearl Harbor such as tanks, food, planes, destroyers, etc. The US did lose almost 1 million men as well. I don't think there is any question that the US has shouldered the free world's defense burden since WWII as well as rebuilding Germany, Japan, and much of Europe. Please remember that the US citizens have spent a great deal of money on these bases to which you refer, and Europe's defense. You are so right about the leftist, liberal press. I think our common heritage means that most Brits and Americans really do like each other and the vocal minority are the ones who get the attention.

Also note that Russia and Germany were allies and divided Poland. Hitler then turned on Stalin. Without US and British help to Russia and the threat of a second front with the US and Britain, Hitler could have fought at least to a standstill - until he had the atomic bomb. So, I think it's accurate to say that the US's involvement in WWII before and after Pearl Harbor made the difference. But, without Churchill and the British fight, it would have been a lost cause for all of us. I vote for Churchill as the man of the century!
71 posted on 07/06/2002 2:00:05 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: David Hunter
But what is the opinion of a fictional spook turned gangster supposed to prove?

Parody: 1. A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule.

72 posted on 07/06/2002 2:01:07 PM PDT by dread78645
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To: David Hunter
I know that FDR hated the British Empire...

He didn't much care for American capitalists either. At least the British are honorable, pay off their debts and are loyal as poodles. At least George Michael seems to think so.
73 posted on 07/06/2002 2:06:27 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: Alas Babylon!
Well if you think about it, Hitler was right about the Versailles Treaty. Of course that didn't excuse him for starting WWII and the Holocaust.
74 posted on 07/06/2002 2:07:28 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: David Hunter
I'm genuinely sorry we were your "unrelenting creditors" after WWII. It never fails: those who are self-reliant, strong and courageous always get the fuzzy end of the lollipop, as American icon Marilyn Monroe once observed. The weaklings (think France, think Italy) are never forced to pay up. That being said, I don't think that is upper-most in mind when British people insult Americans at cocktail...er...small drinks parties.
75 posted on 07/06/2002 2:09:10 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: ginle
This coming from a country that still believes in the archaic concept of monarchy in the 21st century.
76 posted on 07/06/2002 2:10:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: moteineye
...it is debatable whether or not Britain and the USSR would have defeated Hitler if the US hadn't entered the war.

Wouldn't it have been interesting if the Iron Curtain = English Channel for forty or fifty years.
77 posted on 07/06/2002 2:11:15 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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To: Tourist Guy
Re: British spelling. She is writing for a British paper. She may or may not have adapted her spelling for publication. If she didn't, the editors would have done it. If she claims to be an American, the spelling would not necessarily indicate the truth or untruth of that statement.

From Inkie, a former ex-patriot who adapted spelling while o/s.

78 posted on 07/06/2002 2:11:38 PM PDT by Inkie
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To: David Hunter
Maybe if the Brits had tried to help Poland in her hour of need perhaps it never would have come down to the US having to bail them out.
79 posted on 07/06/2002 2:12:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Inkie
From Inkie, a former ex-patriot who adapted spelling while o/s.

How Colourful!
80 posted on 07/06/2002 2:14:06 PM PDT by AdA$tra
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